Brexit

The sale of around 2 million cars a year to the UK from the EU, A large portion from Germany and France, French Wines and German Switchgear and engineering components, All these would cause serious economic damage to them

 

The present German, French, Italian, Spanish economies are hardly booming, when the UK leave they will have major problems covering our contributions.

 

Don't you be pissing on @Offcomedun 's bonfire...!!

 

Not at all mate, we've seen in the past when a certain paper has made a claim the replies have been that paper can't be taken seriously, so do we apply the same comments to the Guardian.

 

No one is pretending that Brexit won't harm the EU. Of course it will. We were a major budget contributor, so it's bound to have an impact. Brexit is economically bad for everyone. The question is, who will it impact most - us or them? Most economists, and the CBI, believe that, unless we can maintain frictionless trade with the EU, which means maintaining common standards, then our economy will suffer most.

 

I'd think if they don't offer us a similar deal to Canada and Singapore we could very much leave without a deal, they were happy to offer us a similar deal previously but now they are saying they can't because we're too near the EU, when did we move nearer.
What is the point in having a referendum when we decided to leave we maintain common standards that keeps us tied to the EU, they can then make changes and we have no say in the matter as we no longer have a vote.

 

This has been the crux of the matter all along. We can have our own standards or we can have seamless trade with our biggest market. We can't have both.
We can cut off our nose to spite our face if we want.
Not much point in having control of our own industries if they've gone bust due to EU tariffs.

 

Tariffs work both ways, they bang 20% on we do the same, I'm not sure the German car industry or the French wine makers will be happy with that to prove a point.

Whats changed the EU mind with regards not offering a Canada/Singapore type of deal as they did originally.

We can now negotiate from a far stronger position after the General Election result and the EU know it, Boris and his negotiating team can demand stuff that Theresa May dare not ask for as she knew she was in a weak position,never actually threatening the EU with a no deal, she tried to accommodate both sides of the Tory party where as Boris has made it very plain when he took the whip from the 21 who voted against him.

The Tories are a far more united party and now having the backing of the North's ex-Labour voters he has a free hand, at the end of the day the UK negotiators have the no deal card and the EU know it.

We'll know more come the start of the serious talks at the beginning of March.

 

Falling out already when the Irish Prime Minister was asked to make a bigger contribution, according to Leo Varadkar "unacceptable terms", saying "I met with President Michel & President von der Leyen last night and the proposal on the table is one we can't accept.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1245439/eu-news-eu-budget-2020-brexit-news-brussels-leo-varadkar-ireland-trade

 

The Irish as with the Scots could be homeless if they don't fall in to line....

 

The EU have major issues with regards the forthcoming EU budget saying, "The EU is on the verge of a financial crisis after it emerged the EU27 is facing a black hole of more than £166 billion (€200billion) in its first post-Brexit budget".

 

Well said and completely ignored by the brexiters as per usual. Now they are doing what I predicted and are blaming the EU for not giving us the trade deal we want because waaaaaah we are british and waaaaah we had a referendum so magic should just happen...

 

Let's await the serious stuff to start next week, the EU now realise they are dealing with serious negotiators I believe they wont find them as easy to bully as they did Theresa May.
These negotiations will be far different to the May days because the UK electorate gave the Tories a very big Parlimentary majority and he has the full backing of those voters to deliver.
The EU already have a big split within the group with regards the EU budget, the major contributors being told they have to fill the void left by the UK.

 

Where do we make 2 million cars a year?

 

I think you will find the EU to be tougher than you expect given that before there was a chance the UK could remain but now there is not. If you think they will allow single market benefits with none of the responsibilities then you simply are naive.

 

doesn’t it say from Europe, not to Europe. So we import 2m cars

 

Lets see who's naive as these negotiations start and progress or not, of course I would expect the EU not to allow us a Canada type of agreement,they have to be seen as they have control. although it seems they have changed their stance on it, by now saying they can't give a country on Europe's doorstep the same deal as Canada but previously were saying that could be an option.
There is no point in second guessing what will be said the EU will have their idea of brexit and the UK seem to be saying the things that us leave voters want.