Brexit

Anyone seen that labour supporting woman since the election that definitely didn't sign up to the forum just to peddle her political stuff. I mean, that would be "completely ridiculous".

Just trying to find her thoughts on Stuart McCall, or er, Bradford City even, or, just football really?

 

Keefly?

 

I got called out for bullying her or some sort of bollocks for calling this out too...

 

Yeah, me too, obviously a Corbyn stooge as they said they would use 'soshal meja' to get to the vulnerable and hard of thinking...

 

Looks like some won't take the referendum result seriously, and want to do their own little deals, just how the hell did this man become the Lord Mayor of London, and our old friend Guy Verhofstadt there like a nodding donkey, quite unbelievable.
With knife crime and deaths in London you would have thought that situation would be his number one priority to sort out.

 

Give it time...

 

Did you read it fully .

 

Of course I did.

What's happening in France is nothing to do with Brexit. It was happening before we left the EU.

The impact of Brexit won't be known for ages. Although we've technically left were still in the transition period. Much will depend on what kind of trade arrangements we negotiate with the EU and also with the rest of the world. Many of those deals will take years to fully materialise.
So, much as I appreciate the humour of your post, it's completely irrelevant. Success or failure of Brexit is a long term issue. Anyone thinking that it's done and we can move on is sadly mistaken.

 

At least with Boris's safeguards in place the EU will treat us with a bit more respect than they did Mrs May and her impotent team of negotiators....

 

Steve it was a joke ffs.

As mistaken as those saying before the vote we were going to see the UK crumbling into oblivion, it seems they got it wrong, as they will do once the negotiations start, a different kettle of fish to the Theresa May days, Boris has a 80+ seat majority, I believe if the EU play hard ball (which you'd expect) asking for more than any reasonable country would be prepared to offer, Boris will use the default "leave with no deal".
Well lets see billy big balls Barnier & Co perform come March he's saying we can have a deal as long as the fisheries stay status quo, and we have to have closer alignment with the EU, that's the reason were leaving, is the man on drugs.

David Frost made this comment "The democratic consent of the British public would “snap dramatically and finally” if the UK continued to be tied to EU rules" you remainers and the EU negotiators might not like the fact that these negotiations are far from the May days, so they will have to get real.

 

Still got them big blue flags with the yellow stars up here in Berlin. Love the EU over here this lot. Great city BTW.

 

I know it was a joke. Hence my comment, 'much as I appreciate the humour in your post'.
My response - 'give it time' was also meant to be light hearted. Perhaps I should have put a wink emoji after it.

But actually, neither of us were joking. Your post about France was clearly meant to convey your oft-repeated view (repeated once again in your reply to me above) that Remainers predicted our world would collapse following the Brexit vote, and it hasn't happened. And I'll repeat what I always say in response - just because the dickhead Osborne tried to scaremonger people by threats of instant economic collapse doesn't mean that's what most Remainers thought would happen. Most Remainers know that the impact of Brexit (good or bad) will be medium to long term.
As to whether Johnson continues to renege on the promises he made to maintain close alignment, we'll have to wait and see. I don't believe the EU will cave in on this. They can't afford to give us seamless, frictionless trade movement whilst at the same time having us undercutting them by lowering our standards. It will be one or the other. If we don't maintain EU standards then we'll get a crappy trade deal with the EU and many of our producers, reliant on EU parts imports and export sales, will suffer badly, as the CBI is currently warning.
It's clear that nothing Johnson says can be trusted at all. He's lied about standards, lied about no customs checks with Northern Ireland and he'll keep on lying about everything else - it's what he does, and what he's always done. Nothing surprises me about him any more. He may yet lead us over the cliff edge to a No Deal Brexit but I doubt it. I think he'll maintain the Billy Big Balls talk until he finally realises that the EU won't give him seamless trade and regulatory independence, and then he'll lie to everyone and say he never wanted that anyway. He knows that No Deal is a disaster for British producers and I don't think he'll want economic collapse to be his legacy - he won't get all those vanity bridges built if the economy tanks.

 

This is so typical of a remainer, "-just because the dickhead Osborne tried to scaremonger people by threats of instant economic collapse doesn't mean that's what most Remainers thought would happen" lets also quote his dick head mate Cameron, leave means not EU out of the single market and out of the customs union, I didn't see many claiming as you are now Osbourne or Cameron were a dick heads when they were telling lies.
Well of course until the talks start in anger we'll have no idea who is being billy big balls, you say with regards No deal you believe Boris dare not do it, yet he has put into law these negotiations will be concluded by December 31st 2020 you'd better hope he's lying because that is the time the default kicks in.
Don't you find it a little strange that a company who had said leaving the EU could jeopardise car production within the UK is now openly saying "Nissan has reportedly drawn up contingency plans to pull out of manufacturing in mainland Europe in the event of a hard Brexit in favour of ramping up its production in the UK", possibly the first of many.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

 

Classic case of the headline saying one thing and the detail of the article saying another. I think you'll find that's just the view of a couple of random people and if you read further down the article the Nissan spokesperson emphatically denies it:
"Nissan denied having made such a plan, however, and said its Sunderland plant would be under threat along with its European operations if the UK fails to ensure tariff-free access to the EU market. After the UK’s departure from the EU on Friday, both sides are expected to set out their negotiating positions on Monday before trade talks next month.
"A Nissan spokesman said on Monday: “We deny such a contingency plan exists. We’ve modelled every possible ramification of Brexit and the fact remains that our entire business both in the UK and in Europe is not sustainable in the event of WTO [World Trade Organization] tariffs.

“We want our UK team of more than 7,000 people to have the best possible chance of future success, which is why we continue to urge UK and EU negotiators to work collaboratively towards an orderly balanced Brexit that will continue to encourage mutually beneficial trade.”
In other words, no deal will be a disaster for our business, which is exactly what I've said all along.

As you rightly say, both Cameron and Osborne are dickheads. It's perfectly obvious that there were many different versions of 'leave' that could have been presented to the electorate at referendum time. Cameron and Osborne chose to present only the most hardline version in an attempt to scaremonger people into voting Remain. They failed. But that doesn't mean that only that version of Leave was possible. Even now, having left, we still don't know which version we'll end up with.
You seem very happy (for reasons that are completely inexplicable to me) with the most extreme, hard-line, no deal Brexit. Fair enough, that's your preference. But most people in government know it will be economically disastrous for us. We may still end up with it because Johnson and his band of right wing idiots may prefer to jump us off a cliff rather than admit that they can't have their cake and eat it. I still think it's likely that they'll back down and accept some kind of regulatory alignment because without it there will be massive negative implications for our producers if there are tariffs and customs bureaucracy.

Do you honestly believe that the EU will grant us seamless, tariff-free access to their market (which we are dependent on for 60% of our trade) and allow us to undercut them by deviating from their standards? They'd have to be on some heavily debilitating drugs to do that, however many threats of No Deal Johnson makes. No Deal will hurt us far more than it will hurt them.

 

To get the best deal we need to take them to the brink and if needed beyond it, Both Germany and France need our trade desperately and would face huge economic and social problems if it was to happen, We are the 6th largest economy in the world and without access to our markets the EU would fall in to recession and mass unemployment, The cards we hold are more powerful than people realise regards global trade

 

Around 87% of the UK economy is internally generated, exports amount to 13% of our economy. The EU trade amounts to around 6% slightly less than half of this amount, While it would have an effect on our economy in some sectors if no deal was the outcome it would not be the doom and gloom that is forecast by those with an angle to push and may well be offset with trade with other nations we will be in a much more advantageous position to exploit

 

Serious question, what does Germany and France need from us so desperately that in time they wouldn't be able to get from elsewhere? I still haven't seen anywhere what the long term plan for the UK is. What do we actually do that's so important to the rest of the world. Again, it's a serious question, I don't the answers. I'm trying to look at this whole Brexit thing with impartiality as there is no real evidence and won't be for years as to whether this whole thing is a fiasco or not.

 

As usual, Trevor conjures up 'facts and figures' that are totally at odds with everyone else's. I don't know whether he just makes them up or if he has some crackpot alt right source that he gets them from.