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Unfair?
fecking understatement of the century.
Terrorist shitbags get immunity from prosecution and those already imprisoned get released if they've served more than two years.
My medal is going back... I feel betrayed.

 

Well I hope the British government will now go back and recall all the terrorists who where released early back to prison to serve the rest of their term. If its good enough for them to prosecute a soldier they put there to do a job its good enough for the terrorists who volunteer to plant bombs and shoot at innocent people.

 

Does that involve closure for the families of the 763 soldiers murdered who are waiting still?
Seems closure is only one way with the terrorists having been given amnesty and the soldiers prosecuted,

 

Poor trooper 'F' is being used as a scapegoat after 47 years ffs

 

In a highly charged environment, some British soldiers lost the plot, it could all be explained but it could never be excused, like My Lai perhaps?

But it should never be forgotten nor should the length of time be a reason for not achieving justice for the victims families. Two wrongs don't make a right..

28 unarmed civilians were killed by British troops......all 28 conveniently forgotten in the above posts. There should be a price to pay, one that should have been paid decades ago.

 

The murderous scumbags of the IRA are free to walk the streets and totally immune from prosecution despite sone of them openly admitting to carrying out killings,bombings etc yet we are willing to take to task the very people that our government sent to do a job... smacks of bloody hypocrisy. The good Friday agreement has a lot to answer for... it is a get out of jail free card for terrorists and even now they aren't upholding their side of the deal.

 

It’s another symptom of what the wet fart establishment has become. Sympathise and make excuses for the scum and persecute the good. It’s a clusterf*ck of huge proportions

 

Have you ever seen the rules of engagement card every soldier is issued stepping foot into Northern Ireland ?

 

My uncle served a few tours of Northern Ireland amongst other places. Asked to do what was an impossible task, he had my utmost respect when he told how much it affected him. Remember my dad telling me how once he came back home on leave and they had to find him in town for his own safety because he’d offered to fight everyone in the Irish pubs.

 

Story published 19th may 2002. But don't let the truth get in the way of justice The IRA has officially claimed a Bloody Sunday victim as one of its fallen volunteers - contradicting the idea that all 13 men shot dead by British paratroops were uninvolved civilians. A book of republican dead, a 368-page tribute to every IRA member to die in Northern Ireland's Troubles, also includes several men, shot dead by loyalists, who at the time of their murders were claimed by their families to be ordinary Catholics. The book, meant to be seen only by the relatives of the IRA dead, claims that the 1993 Shankill bomb, which killed nine Protestants, including two children, was not a sectarian act. The Observer has obtained a copy of Tirghra - Irish for 'Love of Country' - a book that was distributed during a tribute in Dublin last month to all IRA members killed since 1969. Among those honoured as the IRA's fallen is Gerard Donaghy, described in the book as a 'fian', a member of the junior IRA in Derry. Donaghy was 17 when he was shot dead in Derry by the Parachute Regiment on 30 January, 1972. The four-paragraph salute to Donaghy reveals that he attended IRA training camps in the South and raised funds for the nationalist community in the North. The circumstances surrounding Donaghy's death were among the most hotly contested following Bloody Sunday. The Army and the RUC alleged that nail bombs had been found beside him after he was shot. The first inquiry into Bloody Sunday, chaired by Lord Widgery, agreed with the military. However, his family and campaigners for the Bloody Sunday victims claim that the nail bombs were planted by troops in order to blacken the dead men's names and provide an excuse for the massacre. Other portraits of dead IRA volunteers in Tirghra also contradict claims that several of the victims of loyalist terrorism were not involved in the IRA. They include Danny Cassidy, a 40-year-old Sinn Fein election worker shot dead by the UDA in Co Derry on 2 April, 1992. In the book Lost Lives, the definitive index of all the Ulster Troubles' dead, the authors mark Cassidy as a Catholic civilian. It quotes a priest at his funeral who said: '[Cassidy] was killed simply because he was a Catholic. But in Tirghra Cassidy is referred to as an 'oglach' - the Irish word for soldier and thus a Provisional IRA volunteer. In 1991 the UDA shot dead Padraig O'Seanachain, another Sinn Fein election worker in Co Tyrone. At O'Seanachain's funeral, the parish priest denounced UDA claims that the murdered man was an IRA member. However, O'Seanachain, whose murder is the subject of demands for a public inquiry following claims of security force collusion in the killing, is also described as an 'oglach'. Among several other victims of loyalist violence whose families and Sinn Fein denied had IRA involvement was Alan Lundy, 39, who was shot dead in West Belfast on 1 May, 1993. He is also described in Tirghra as 'oglach'. The admission, many years after Sinn Fein activists were murdered, that they were also IRA members suggests two things: first, that loyalist paramilitaries had more accurate intelligence on IRA personnel than imagined (most of it from security forces' members) and, second, there was a policy to distance some victims of loyalist terrorism from the IRA. The tribute to the Shankill bomber, Thomas 'Bootsy' Begley, who died in the explosion along with nine Protestants in 1993, is sure to cause offence in the wider unionist community. Tirghra claims there was 'misrepresentation in many quarters of a young man who went out, not to commit a sectarian act', but instead to defend his community and country from oppression. Some 400 hardback copies of Tirghra were handed out to relatives of the IRA members who died during the Troubles during a gala evening in Dublin's Citywest hotel, organised by the IRA army council and attended by Sinn Fein leaders, including Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness.

 

Had my posted deleted, you should share a room with Jeremy Corbyn with your sympathetic view towards terrorists. Awful post.

 

After all this time you would hope that an amnesty for all would be possible. Human nature always dictates otherwise.

 

While not agreeing with the amnesty for the IRA who should be hunted and prosecuted for the crimes they committed this is the account from the inquiry of how the victims died, None of the protesters were found to be armed and there were no casualties on the Army side, I make no judgement on the decision to prosecute as have not seen the evidence but post this list for those who may not know the details

The casualties are listed in the order in which they were killed.

• John 'Jackie' Duddy, age 17. Shot as he ran away from soldiers in the car park of Rossville Flats. The bullet struck him in the shoulder and entered his chest. Three witnesses said they saw a soldier take deliberate aim at the youth as he ran. He was the first fatality on Bloody Sunday. Like Saville, Widgery also concluded that Duddy was unarmed.
• Michael Kelly, age 17. Shot in the stomach while standing at the rubble barricade on Rossville Street. Both Saville and Widgery concluded that Kelly was unarmed.
• Hugh Gilmour, age 17. Shot as he ran away from soldiers near the rubble barricade. The bullet went through his left elbow and entered his chest. Widgery acknowledged that a photograph taken seconds after Gilmour was hit corroborated witness reports that he was unarmed, and that tests for gunshot residue were negative.
• William Nash, age 19. Shot in the chest at the rubble barricade. Witnesses stated Nash was unarmed. Three people were shot while apparently going to his aid, including his father Alexander Nash.
• John Young, age 17. Shot in the face at the rubble barricade, apparently while crouching and going to the aid of William Nash. Two witnesses stated Young was unarmed.
• Michael McDaid, age 20. Shot in the face at the rubble barricade, apparently while crouching and going to the aid of William Nash.
• Kevin McElhinney, age 17. Shot from behind, near the rubble barricade, while attempting to crawl to safety. Two witnesses stated McElhinney was unarmed.
• James 'Jim' Wray, age 22. Shot in the back while running away from soldiers in Glenfada Park courtyard. He was then shot again in the back as he lay mortally wounded on the ground. Witnesses, who were not called to the Widgery Tribunal, stated that Wray was calling out that he could not move his legs before he was shot the second time.
• William McKinney, age 27. Shot in the back as he attempted to flee through Glenfada Park courtyard.
• Gerard McKinney, age 35. Shot in the chest at Abbey Park. A soldier ran through an alleyway from Glenfada Park and shot him from a few yards away. Witnesses said that when he saw the soldier, McKinney stopped and held up his arms, shouting "Don't shoot! Don't shoot!", before being shot. The bullet apparently went through his body and struck Gerard Donaghy behind him.
• Gerard Donaghy, age 17. Shot in the stomach at Abbey Park while standing behind Gerard McKinney. Both were apparently struck by the same bullet. Bystanders brought Donaghy to a nearby house, where he was examined by a doctor. The doctor opened Donaghy's clothes to examine him, and his pockets were also searched for identification. Two bystanders then attempted to drive Donaghy to hospital, but the car was stopped at an Army checkpoint. They were ordered to leave the car and a soldier drove it to a Regimental Aid Post, where an Army medical officer pronounced Donaghy dead. Shortly after, soldiers found four nail bombs in his pockets. The civilians who searched him, the soldier who drove him to the Army post, and the Army medical officer, all said that they did not see any bombs. This led to claims that soldiers planted the bombs on Donaghy to justify the killings. Donaghy was a member of Fianna Éireann, an IRA-linked republican youth movement. Paddy Ward, a police informer] who gave evidence at the Saville Inquiry, claimed he gave two nail bombs to Donaghy several hours before he was shot. The Saville Report concluded that the bombs were probably in Donaghy's pockets when he was shot. However, it concluded that he was not about to throw a bomb when he was shot; and that he was not shot because he had bombs. "He was shot while trying to escape from the soldiers".

• Patrick Doherty, age 31. Shot from behind while attempting to crawl to safety in the forecourt of Rossville Flats. He was shot by soldiers who came out of Glenfada Park. Doherty was photographed, moments before and after he died, by French journalist Gilles Peress. Despite testimony from "Soldier F" that he had shot a man holding a pistol, Widgery acknowledged that the photographs show Doherty was unarmed, and that forensic tests on his hands for gunshot residue proved negative.
• Bernard 'Barney' McGuigan, age 41. Shot in the head when he walked out from cover to help Patrick Doherty. He had been waving a white handkerchief to indicate his peaceful intentions.
• John Johnston, age 59. Shot in the leg and left shoulder on William Street 15 minutes before the rest of the shooting started. Johnston was not on the march, but on his way to visit a friend in Glenfada Park. He died on 16 June 1972; his death has been attributed to the injuries he received on the day. He was the only one not to die immediately or soon after being shot.

 

How is doing a job you are trained wrong doing? The British government put soldiers in Northern Ireland now they want to prosecute one for doing as he was ordered to do.

 

Any "murderous scumbags" of the British army have been free to walk the streets, they could be well pleased with a 28-0 win and what a "job" they did. You cant have it both ways.

 

28-0?
What are you jabbering about?