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  1. SimonW

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    See that's the problem that they never seem to realise. The NHS I believe is the largest employer in the UK so even a 1% increase adds a massive amount to what the country has to find to pay them. I believe if they gave what the Unions wanted it was over £4bn a year extra and even 1% is over £300mill a year extra. You could pay every MP around £400k (about a 5 times increase) a year and the total wage bill would be less than than 1% increase

    And where do they find that 1% lets alone 12.5%? just to get us out of the COVID hole that things like Furlough have caused we are all already going to have to pay more.

    And while you will see the NHS workers and their supporters all screaming tax the high earners and companies more they fail to see the problem. Currently, the top 1% of income taxpayers pay more than 1/3rd of all income tax collected. It's a similar situation on the corporation tax front. To be in the top 1% of income taxpayers you only need to be making £160k a year, that's alot but nowhere near where I'm sure most people think the top 1% would be. With technology, the world is getting smaller and smaller and the requirement for us to be based in the same area as our job is done is getting less. Just take me, despite being UK based and paying UK tax under 10% of my work each year is for UK clients, I have absolutely no need to be in the UK. Now I don't reach the higher tax bracket threshold let alone the additional tax threshold needed to be in the 1% and as such, I probably don't have the resources to make moving abroad an easy and painless experience but there are plenty of places I could move to, still be able to do my job and be better off so a large number of the top 1% certainly could move if the tax on them gets too high. Same with companies, just look at Amazon as an example. One of the reasons they pay what seems like such a small amount of tax is they absolutely don't need UK operations for most of their business. Outside of distribution, everything else can be carried out abroad, if tax in the UK isn't competitive there is less and less reason for companies to keep all parts (or any) of their business UK based.

    So if we drive the rich individuals and big business away from the UK with excessive tax rates we have less to pay them. We also potentially have less jobs in the country making things even worse. Also any tax they do have to pay is likely to see us all paying more for items thus eating into their pay increase (and making things for people who didn't get a pay rise harder)


    Oh and the NHS workers also forget all the perks they actually get. They get deals on a whole range of things including things like mortgages and big discounts on things like electronics. And they have been getting even more since COVID (and many of them have become greedy and demanding with it)
     
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  2. Aaron Baker

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    Agree. And It's not just a large employer in scheme of the UK, Its the 5th largest employer in the whole world. Tiny percentage changes have relatively large impacts.

    It's also worth moving that MPs earn about £85k but there are.....or at least were if my memory serves correctly....about 50,000 people in the NHS who earn £100k plus. It isn't exclusively a low paying organisation.
     
  3. trevor

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    Out of a workforce of 1.4 million who work in the NHS only around 300.000 are nurses and 120.000 are doctors
    Doctors and Dentists have been offered a 2.8% rise while nurses have been offered 1%

    Average pay for each is, Consultants 80k to 110K, Doctors 50k, Nurses 34k, GPs 70k plus profits
     
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  4. Damo

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    If you struggled to employ someone as a Commercial Director what would you do? With 50k vacancies if you wanted to go back to supply and demand basics which the Conservatives do, then clearly they are not being paid enough. Add on danger money etc, then from a staffing level they deserve and need a pay rise. Some arguments going about are that the Govt wants a poor performing Nhs as it will allow the model to be changed. I don't have a problem with it going to a Germany model but when you filter down to which companies already have their fingers in the Nhs pie privately then we will move to a model where you pay for what you use. Some say that is fairer, but we move drastically from something with equitable access for all to people not having access
     
  5. 1975citygent

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    I thought they didn't take the rise last year, I may be wrong.
     
  6. Storck

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    Scotland have gone for 4% for most NHS staff, Drs, consultants and execs are excluded. The announcement said that will mean on average a nurse will receive a pay rise of £1,500, those on the lowest rates will get at least £1,000(5.4%)
     
  7. Storck

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    they will only get funding for what ever NHS England finally decide, rest will have to come from Elsewhere or local income tax
     
  8. trevor

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    It will come from English taxpayers with a claim for an increase under the Barnett formula that funds Scotland

    The Barnett formula is a mechanism used by the Treasury in the United Kingdom to automatically adjust the amounts of public expenditure allocated to Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to reflect changes in spending levels allocated to public services in England, England and Wales or Great Britain, as appropriate.
     
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