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Rupp & Sparks Out?

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by JonButterfield, Nov 12, 2023.

  1. QCFC BANTAM

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    WOW JUST WOW!! But then Ryan couldn't even be arsed greeting him.....brought to his suite....
     
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    Look at Stockport - a plan.
    Barrow - a plan. Look at the YouTube vid that was aired on this forum.
    Lincoln - a plan.

    Even I had a plan for the long term development and style of play at my grassroots football club...started with U6s years ago and now U17s/18s winning stuff with a style of play!![/QUOTE]

    In an even larger concept from 15 or so years ago...English FA realised that the country was going nowhere. They took a couple of years to go and observe the winning European Federations - Spain, France, Germany et al. Their set up from the kids, to U21s to full squad. They started to implement a philosophy and a plan, at grassroots and upwards. We are now seeing that in our young talent which is now the envy of Europe and why we are at the cutting edge of tournaments....

    A Philosophy and a plan!!
     
  3. JonButterfield

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    If there's one thing Ryan is trying to do, it's making sure the academy 'links' to the first team. He has appointed good people in appropriate roles to ensure there's some continuity.

    That's commendable, and it's proper he gets recognition for it.

    But it falls on it's face the second you realize that the Bradford City first team stands for absolutely nothing. How do you actually achieve continuity from the under 11's straight through to the first team when the first team has no identity whatsoever? What is the point investing in the academy if you can't decide what kind of football team we are, or the kind of football we want to play?

    I'll tell you why Redfearn was brought in, and why the academy is invested in: it's made us some money. We've sold our decent youngsters, so Ryan has followed the trail of gold, and it leads back to the academy.

    But there's no link up to the first team at all. Bobby Pointon has come in and even he has no fixed role in our first team.

    That's because our first team strategy is a fly-by-night, whatever-wherever type affair.

    Credit where it's due, but at the same time our focus on the academy exposes our lack of aptitude at first team level.

    Make it Ryan's motto: We are nothing, we stand for nothing, we achieve nothing.
     
  4. Home Alone

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    Ryan and his PR guy who interviews players for a living have been busy working on next seasons holiday camp advenure.
     
  5. Fordy117

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    They is no academy links to the first team. Pointon is marketing link because he is from Bradford. If an offer had come in for him he would have been sold like the rest of good academy players we have had in our ranks recently.

    We use the academy to generate money.
     
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    Bradford City is a club without a plan! Hard though with an owner that doesn’t care an and CEO that doesn’t understand football.
     
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  7. Bronco

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    Were a League Two club by any other name a selling club (as all lower league clubs are) if the player is deemed good enough by another club of course he will be sold, its happened for as long as I've watched Bradford City.
     
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  8. Bronco

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    Unfortunately we were told by Julian & Mark they could not finance a Championship club and believed at the time if given the chance Rack & Ruin could, I'm not sure the likes of Posh can when push comes to shove, as you know Championship football is an expensive hobby ask Dejphon Chansiri and that lad has some clout.
    I dream as most fans do at our level but realistically maybe a good EFL Cup run or FA Cup run with the possibility of a promotion to League One are at the moment the best we can hope for, I very much doubt I'll see Championship football at Valley Parade again in my life time, a good topic to discuss over a beer, sadly it wont be this coming Saturday enjoy the day Ian.
     
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  9. Kevin1954

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    We have had look at Stockport’s third party continual succession plan based on continual promotions . We looked at it and knew where the benefits and counter fault lines were, so were able to comment

    Do you have the written Lincoln and Barrow Football Plans please. I am having trouble finding anything at all either on club sites or via Google.

    I’ve seen the Barrow Video by Iain Wood, which isn’t a plan, sadly it’s identical to any other Director of Football, Head of Recruitment would say. ie SPiN . This may not be the full picture but it’s a start .
    https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/7xAabocqnkehbN9sEH0XXnbTPpU/appointments

    Your help would be appreciated , I like succession planning , I find them quite interesting
     
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    Not that I can find. When it boils down to it having an FOOTBALL plan are not really worth the paper they are written on because football has so many variables to interfere with a plan coming to fruition.

    Business plans , Commercial Plans are a lot easier using the 1-3-5-7 year philosophy despite their own inherant variables such as . “Lower sales than expected”, “ Product development failure” , “ New Competitor” . They are built on shifting sands, having a “ Football Plan” or any plan based on a sport 11 v 11 x 44 times p/a is a nightmare in comparison. That’s why they are extremely difficult if not largely impossible to identify with any certainty. Ground plans, green plans, youth football development plans abound. Club “ Footballing Plans” other than glossy spin are extremely difficult to identify. On that basis we aren’t alone.
     
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    Spot on
     
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    All well and good Dave sadly it's the way of life for a L2 club we've seen it for the last 50 years or so
    However the trick is to replace with players capable of mounting a promotion push from whatever league or the 1st 11 will permanently suffer and club will continue to go nowhere
    We seem to sign either perrenial sick notes or journeymen here for last pay day on ridiculous contracts
    That's where we fall down the whole ethos of the club needs changing and quickly
     
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    In a lot of respects I agree Steve. I’d much prefer the energetic early 20’s , mobile , athletic 6-3-, 6-3 and above all “ hungry” . I do get the need for balance, but our over reliance on the older player , ie OUR DEFENCE , is bonkers. The old head at C/half always served us well but if you are supported by a a back line of equal mobility you are going to get shredded at the back.
     
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  14. Bronco

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    As you say little has changed during our time, unfortunately in the past they have had to sell to enable the club to continue I'd think.
    Back in the day there was no way of questioning the club apart from letters to the T&A.
    Fortunately or unfortunately with the development of social media fans think they have every right to question everything from our transfer policy to every financial deal made by the club.
    Anyone who believes if we get a lad good enough to hold down a starting place and is noticed by other clubs we'll not sell him need a reality check, with regards us and I'd suggest every other League One or Two club.
    I don't know the answer but what I do know is the grass is not always greener on the other side, as unfortunately we've seen at our club, a very rich owner that has overseen our demise from a potential Championship club to a run of the mill League Two club.
     
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    You’re completely right and unfortunately we are closer to the National League than we are the Championship . It’s a very distant reality and without an owner willing to pump in 10s and 10s of millions of pounds, promotion to league 1 will be our only success imo.
    Rupp doesn’t have the resources to establish us in the Championship and like you’ve pointed out there are owners who are billionaires in that division that can’t get their act together.
     
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    Kev mate this is crackers "When it boils down to it having an FOOTBALL plan are not really worth the paper they are written on..." are you honestly saying you would rather we had no plan at all? Just have at it? Hire and fire people at the drop of a hat and see what happens?
     
  17. Bronco

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    As with every other Bradford City fan we all hope firstly Alexander can turn our recent form around and if nothing else get us up the table, and even a play off place.
    It would be great to start our turnaround at Meadow Lane but although I hate to say it I feel that won't be the case, then again I wouldn't back against us, which Bradford City will turn up who knows.
     
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    The financial numbers in the championship are truly scary. The average wage bill 21/22 was £30m, the average wage bill for the teams promoted to the PL was £70m and across the division the percentage of revenue spent on wages was 108%.
     
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    Wow, I wonder if Rupp is aware and as many say he's more than happy with the status quo.
     
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    Fail to plan .... plan to fail! It's a bit of a cliché but it remains true.

    Football clubs are businesses. And any business worth its salt would have a vision and a plan to get there. Football clubs even in the lower leagues are no different from other businesses. To suggest otherwise is just bonkers.
     

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