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Discussion in 'City Talk' started by scarbi, Sep 16, 2023.

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  1. BenitoCarbone

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    Better than Holden who hasn’t done it at any club.
     
  2. Wakefield Bantam

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    Agreed. The #ruppout stuff on Twitter is embarrassing.
     
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  3. Ulysses S Grant

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    Nearly half isn't good enough and reasonable isn't good enough.
     
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  4. Ulysses S Grant

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    Look at his 91 match record over his career and extrapolate that over a 46 match season and its 62 points. No whete near acceptable.
     
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    CORRECT REGARDING WIN % pARKY ONLY HAD A 38% WIN RATE
     
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  6. Ulysses S Grant

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    Ok, so nuanced view of Holden is that he's a very poor choice who has achieved nothing in football and isn't right for us.

    Yes mccall blew 2009 but he had barry conlon up front. Swinfon had Doyle & Jerry Yates. If you think they were blowing that you know nothing about football
    Fairly similar to Wellens at Salford, but according to you he failed there.
     
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  7. Park bantam

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    Based on what you know very little of him names and reputations mean nothing has been proved time and time again.
    I have no idea how he would do should he be appointed and that applies to anybody else appointed but stupidly decrying someone before they are even in the building is just ridiculous
     
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  8. banbrotam

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    I wasn't a fan of Holden until I looked at all the data.

    If comparing two entire managerial spells, that ran consecutively, i.e. Holden vs Pearson, is "confirmation bias" then that's a new meaning of the phrase.

    I assume you knew all this and thought that a 44% win ratio at a Championship club, meant the manager mustn't be up to League 2? That's fine. Clearly you think someone like Nigel Pearson wouldn't be good enough for us.

    As I keep saying. I have no idea who is the correct person. No-one that I've heard strikes me as the answer, but then against I was very unimpressed when Jewell got the gig and pretty indifferent about Parky :)
     
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    Don’t count on it, his financial advisors told him to bail out in 2018 when Rahic built up a huge debt.
     
  10. banbrotam

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    For that to happen he'd have to seriously destroy his current win ratio.
     
  11. Ulysses S Grant

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    That's an easy task. Win ratio means nothing anyway. 50% wins with no draws only gets you 69 points.
     
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    LOL!! I hear this "right fit for the club" and it nearly always comes from fans of underachieving clubs, who by a spooky coincidence, go through managers faster than nearly anyone else.

    Can you give us the "right fit" protype? Because, I'm fascinated to know who this is as I haven't a clue.

    Silly me, thinks that it's fairly simple. A short list is drawn up of the best candidates, which takes into account the history of them at previous clubs. Then you interview and see if their philosophy fits what is needed at that time.
     
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    As in other post we have had at least four managers with good track records who have failed miserably. If it’s Holden then after a long interview process we hope the right one has been found. No one on here has a clue about him
     
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    As I said, I'm not particularly certain who is the best and so I'll be fine if it's the Cowleys.

    I still don't see why Holden is seen as such a disaster, as he's not been that at his previous two clubs. I'd also think he'd have a good knowledge of players that could help and that would work well with Gent.
     
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    I keep hearing about plans identity style of play. First of all we have to find a successful team playing effective football then what is need is continuity and bringing in people to match
     
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    So the Cowleys had more money at Portsmouth, didn't do much better than Holden - but they're fine and Holden is terrible?

    There's a danger in assuming that someone that got a promotion five season ago, can still do it.
     
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    Steve Bruce will be at Gillingham?
     
  18. ModernBantam

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    Still thinking he's bankrolling our budget when Sparks himself said investment is absolute 0, that's embarrassing.

    As is not being able to connect the dots that the man that trusted Rahic with running the club has also entrusted a novice who knows nothing about football to do the same job.

    10th time lucky though, as the likes of Wrexham, Stockport, Notts County leapfrog us, after our 1 division and 7 year head start.
     
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  19. Two Legs

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    The silence has to indicate something other than out of touch incompetence…? Perhaps negotiations are at a delicate stage and maybe one or two of the available candidates are taking their time to decide which of the numerous job offers to accept leaving us in limbo. A potential takeover could also explain why the club is so silent. Let’s hope the wait does n’t turn out to be a damp squib.
     
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  20. ROKERITE

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    The Cowleys didn't have more money at Pompey, Mousinho had an increased budget this summer.

    Holden had a bigger budget at Bristol City than Nigel Pearson had subsequently.

    I agree with you actually that it shouldn't be assumed that because a manager was good five years ago he's still good now. It is one of the most common mistakes I see that people trot out names of men who were once successful but haven't been for a decade or so. e.g. Nigel Adkins. I just happen to believe Danny Cowley isn't a spent force but that his best days are yet to come.

    While I don't rate Holden highly and think he'd be a very poor appointment I'm confident there'd be no relegation threat.
     
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