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Cost of Living Crisis

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by YungNath, Jul 28, 2022.

  1. Offcomedun

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    There should be no question of not having the basics to sustain life.
    I'm not suggesting that we suddenly stop burning fossil fuel tomorrow. That would be ridiculous. But we should be investing much more in wind and wave power. We have about 7500 miles of coastline that can be used for wind and wave power projects. There are scores of land-based wind farms that have planning permission to be built but the Tories won't build them for fear of upsetting NIMBY voters (although surveys suggest that most people are actually far more amenable to new wind farms than the politicians are). We need to phase out reliance on fossil fuel. It can be done if the will is there.
     
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  2. YungNath

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    Becuase your sons, daughters, grandkids etc that will have to live in an almost uninhabitable hell hole if we fail on the climate. A lot of people who dont think its real will be dead by the time this stuff kicks off seriously but their kids absolutely wont be. Why do you think I vote green party apart from the fact I've always lived in safe labour seat wards.
     
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    I think they have found the solution perfect solution in Hull this morning. Instead of burning fossil fuels, burn......

     
  4. Bronco

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    They have been talking about the River Severn Bore for years but no action taken, is fracking the answer as with coal we have an abundance of it.
     
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    The problem with fracking (and nuclear fission for that matter) is it takes a long time to develop and is very expensive. The only people seriously interested in these technologies are the big energy companies that can make a profit from them whilst electricity prices are artificially high, due to the electricity price being based on gas.

    What we need to do is invest more in wind and solar, primarily. The intermittent supply issues, with wind and solar, can now be managed using grid storage (as well as smart home storage). Add to that a little bit of hydro, plus the development of tidal and we can have enough cheap energy to supply the UK and more. We also need to invest in nuclear fusion technology, as this may eventually be the main source of cheap energy in the future.
     
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    Yet there was a company happy to start franking out Blackpool way a few years ago way before these exorbitant prices for gas and electricity.
    I watched a documentary the other night with regards solar panels and car batteries they were saying once solar panels need replacing there is little value so they would go into land fill, also with regards electric car batteries little scrap value and the manufacture of car batteries is hardly echo friendly with what goes into them.
    Here's a quote from a BBC article:
    "Currently, globally, it's very hard to get detailed figures for what percentage of lithium-ion batteries are recycled, but the value everyone quotes is about 5%," says Dr Anderson. "In some parts of the world it's considerably less."
     
  7. Stafford Bantam

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    The Cuadrilla fracking, in the Bowland shale rock, were just test sites, to try and establish the suitability and cost effectiveness of fracking in the UK. As you may be aware UK shale rock is very different to that in the USA. UK shale seems to hold less gas, due to its age, and it is full of faults.

    Fracking, in the UK, ended primarily due to the fact it wasn't economic. The recent surge in gas prices may have changed those economics, but I would be amazed if anyone wants there energy prices to be tied to rising gas prices. We need to move away from expensive technologies.

    With regard to lithium batteries, you raise a valid point about their eco friendliness, but it is a technology that is rapidly advancing and grid storage is much more than just lithium batteries. The 5% figure you quoted, for lithium batteries, may be the current position (and it will not be even 5% in the UK), which considering lithium batteries are 100% recyclable is appalling situation to be in. However, the UK now has its first company (opened a few months ago) achieving 100% and I'm sure more will follow.

    Regarding solar panels, they cannot be sent to landfill in the UK, they have to be recycled although, in the past, recycling has not been 100% effective (that is changing now). With an estimated average lifespan of 30 to 40 years for modern panels, we have not had to recycle many panels so far, so we do need to significantly upscale our recycling capacity to deal with future volumes.

    The bottom line, though, is that the cost of wind and solar is a tiny fraction of the likes of gas and nuclear and the immediate priorities need to be to bring down energy costs and attain energy self sufficiency, both of which can be achieved with wind, solar, hydro and tidal, plus grid storage / smart home storage.

    The UK has been procrastinating, over energy, for far too long. The current energy crisis is now forcing the issue.

    As you may have noticed, from posts on 'UK Energy Needs' thread, I have been researching energy intensively over the last couple of years, as part of a personal project to realign my own energy usage.

    I've had to factor in:
    1. the current UK energy market;
    2. the direction of the UK energy market;
    3. the impact of the UK government;
    4. external factors (notably, the impact of Russia); and
    5. current and emerging technologies
    What I have discovered so far is:
    1. we waste energy;
    2. we are not doing very much about 1 above;
    3. we have no (or very little in the way of a) energy strategy in the UK (we are not the only ones);
    4. we allow the major energy companies to dictate our energy markets, which drive us towards the most profitable options for them, rather than what is best for UK consumers;
    5. Gas for home heating is an outdated technology that should have long gone;
    6. Hydrogen is not the answer;
    7. There are lots of existing technologies that will improve the situation, IF WE ALLOW THEM TO;
    8. There are lots of emerging technologies that will improve the situation, IF WE ALLOW THEM TO;
    9. My house was not built with energy efficiency in mind; and
    10. No matter what I do, it will be a far from perfect answer.
     
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    Superb answer.
     
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    Absolute Twit

     
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    Twit?
    Correct vowel?
     
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    The Venn diagram of people who go on about "honesty in politics" and those that are representing this as a "top tip" are almost a perfect circle. He wasn't even talking about household budgets.
     
  12. YungNath

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    why the hell would he even say something like this knowing what problems we are facing as a country and how easily it could be misinterpreted then?
     
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    He's talking about nuclear energy and how you have to pay upfront to reap the benefits later. Paying for a more efficenct appliance that is cheaper to run in the long term is the analogy he used. Its not meant as a money saving tip in the slightest.
     
  14. YungNath

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    It's naive at best and insensitive at worst
     
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    pub near me has just been quoted an annual cost of £43k minimum up from £8k energy bills, when will these idiots in charge get a grip and intervene to protect businesses and consumers. truly terrifying numbers to look at now for business owners in particular as their energy bills have no cap. LEAVING IT TO THE MARKET IS FAILING PEOPLE BIG TIME
     
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    Hardly insensitive is it? Weird that it's been interpreted out of context although I shouldn't be shocked I suppose.
     
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    So what do we actually view as the solution?

    Fund everyone's bills out of taxpayers money? How?
     
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    TAXPAYERS ARE THE PEOPLE FACING HOMELESSNESS AND LOSING THEIR BUSINESS FFS
     
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    Like jesus christ man, yes it will cost money but if preventing mass business closures and people freezing to death is a questionable use of taxpayers money we might as well just go back into the forests and hunt each other for survival.
     
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    If someones energy has risen 400% (which many businesses is the case), wittering on with stupid analogies about selling kettles to save 20 quid on an energy bill is massively insensitive. What planet do you live on
     

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