Brexit

We didnt see any impact until the trade deal was signed. Freedom of movement was in place until December 2020 I know because I was in Bulgaria in Feb 2020.

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When was the UK EU trade deal signed?

30 December 2020

The EU and the UK reached an agreement on their future relationship on 24 December 2020. They formally signed the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement on 30 December 2020. The agreement entered into force on 1 May 2021 after approval of the European Parliament and adoption by the Council.

So the ill effects which we are witnessing were not born out until we signed the deal in Dec2020. We could have waited another year and got through covid but we didnt. Therefore using the covid argument is moot.

 

Train a fruit picker to pick fruit better? How do you go about doing that?

 

Stop their benefits?.

 

Did you ever work harder when someone threatened you?

 

It would never have apply to me I was always a hard worker and told on 3 occasions by the foundry managers as I left, if it didn't work out at my new job please get back in touch.

 

We mechanise it like other countries and train them to operate it.

 

I know of all the staff I currently manage, if I started trying to threaten them to work harder they'd tell me to feck off and quit. you cannot manage people like that in this day and age it just does not work anymore. it might have done decades ago but that time is long gone bronco.

 

I'm sure you can still encourage employees to do their job properly as there are disaplinary rules if you don't think they are doing there job in a
reasonable manner you can give them a verbal warning second warning final written warning and then dismiss them if they don't heed previous warning.
The way you say those days are gone I've not been retired 10 year and I don't think things in the industry I worked in have changed that much, its very much a part of your contract of employment.

 

Yes but that would still be unskilled. There will always need to be an unskilled or automated workforce needed to be able to have a high skilled workforce exist. I think you know deep down that brexit isnt about economics. There is no economic argument for establishing trade barriers with our closest trade partners. It makes no sense, economically.

I can point you to the govts own forecasts about the economic impact. Not a remainer govt either, a boris govt. Deep down brexit is not good for the economy. Only the rich will profit from the regression in workers rights. Only the powerful will benefit from the rewriting of human rights.

Brexit is about nationalism, just admit it, you have a problem with sharing some of our sovereignty with other members of the eu... Its the basic premise. Why not just stick to that as the reason why economic sacrifices are necessary?

 

Tell us which capitalist or communist country that doesn't apply to, it nothing new even "New Labour" under Blair had to be far more moderate to get a Labour government in power.
Did they go for the multi millionaire non-doms and make a success of it making them pay their fair share of tax on their wealth, as working people that's the way of the world, and will never change.

 

Brexit is an unnecessary shambles complicating what was a working system. People say that of course there will be teething problems and it will all iron itself out in a decade or so. What a waste of a decade.

 

That's assuming that it actually does work itself out in a decade. There are now permanent trade barriers between us and our overwhelmingly largest import and export market - the EU. Those barriers aren't going away. We may end up with it running a bit smoother over time, but it's always going to be economically detrimental compared to having no customs bureaucracy.
But, as has been noted on here many times, Brexit never was about economics. It was about immigration and sovereignty. Many Brexiteers either chose not to recognise the economic detriments or (as some polls demonstrated) knew that it would be economically harmful but were prepared to do it anyway.

 

Labour did not lower standards, workers rights were protected, they remained part of the ECHR (setup by Churchill). Brexit was sold to everyone by saying standards and rights would be protected. Yet now its going to be illegal to strike. Farmers are being undercut by lower standard livestock from AUS and NZ.

Youre brexit millionaire politicians who sold you a dud by pretending they were not part of the establishment. Are now pushing through a lie and you sit there and lap it up.

Youre a fool

 

Oh yes please.....

 

Where did I say they lowered standards, my words were "even "New Labour" under Blair had to be far more moderate to get a Labour government in power", did they go after the non-dom's ?, did they stop large conglomerates making deals with the inland revenue, Apple, Amazon,Starbucks and the likes.
Unfortunately voting Labour will not change society the poor will stay poor whilst the rich find ways of not paying their fair share of tax's.

Have another read and reply to the post, and please have a little respect and stop the name calling its unnecessary.

"Tell us which capitalist or communist country that doesn't apply to, it nothing new even "New Labour" under Blair had to be far more moderate to get a Labour government in power.
Did they go for the multi millionaire non-doms and make a success of it making them pay their fair share of tax on their wealth, as working people that's the way of the world, and will never change".

 

theres giing people a verbal warning and threatening to take benefits off people. ive never had a contract where my benefits were threatened to be stopped if i didnt work hard enough

 

Are you for real, you live in a different world to me if you think an employee is not giving his/her best and you can't do anything about it, if I told one of the people who worked for me they were not pulling his weight and they told me to feck off and left that would save me a lot of hassle further down the line by not going down the route of warnings and eventually dismissing them,
I doubt very much a contract of employment would have anything other than your terms of working whilst at that company, but if someone could tell their superior be that a foreman, line manager etc, to feck off and leave I as a tax payer shouldn't pick the tab up if he can't find work (as his new employer might want to know why he left his last job and tell the potential new employee they will be writing to the last firm to confirm why they left) they are making themselves unemployed and out of work then IMO benefits should not be an option.

 

I was under the impression that if you gave up your job then benefits would be refused for around 8 weeks. Just as if made redundant and given say 12 week's pay you cannot claim benefits for those 12 weeks

 

I'd say that's fair you make yourself unemployed you don't claim benefits.

 

What an utterly disgraceful shitshow

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/09/woman-who-came-to-uk-as-a-baby-45-years-ago-fighting-for-right-to-work?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other