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Hospitality, Farming, Brexit, problems getting staff

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Park bantam, Aug 1, 2022.

  1. Hoochy-Min

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    It wouldn't pay well enough to live away from home with all the expense that comes with that. I'm sure some people do it but it's not ideal is it?
     
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  2. XCIV_Bantam

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    you could yes but only for 3 months. otherwise you need to prove that you are actively looking for work and have a reasonable chance of gaining employment.

    https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=457&langId=en

    EU citizens are entitled to:

    • look for a job in another EU country
    • work there without needing a work permit
    • reside there for that purpose
    • stay there even after employment has finished
    • enjoy equal treatment with nationals in access to employment, working conditions and all other social and tax advantages
    Jobseekers cannot be expelled if they prove that they are continuing to seek employment and have a genuine chance of finding a job.
    https://www.bmi.bund.de/EN/topics/migration/law-on-foreigners/freedom-of-movement/freedom-of-movement-node.html


    All this because papers wanted to sell and because successive governments wanted to cover up their own incompetence. The shame.
     
  3. Bronco

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    It's not ideal but again it should not be accepted not working and drawing benefits is acceptable.
    We're getting away from the original post if EU workers are happy to work in seasonal jobs then this government need to make it happen and get the relevant visas sorted.
     
  4. XCIV_Bantam

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    I was on benefits for a time (jobseekers allowance) personally didn't even have one of those jobs offered to me (no car at the time) now I am doing quite well for myself actually.

    and the vast majority of benefits claimants are already in work! last one, the biggest benefit spend by country mile - which is over half of our spend is actually on pensions.
     
  5. Bronco

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    Really and who is going to police this and define trying to find work, we can't control our own population that don't find work acceptable abnd do jobs on the side whilst claiming benefits.
     
  6. Park bantam

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    I don’t really want to perpetuate this topic in the football thread but do an honest list of pros and cons of Brexit and there is only one conclusion
     
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    It's linked to the original post so I wouldn't worry, it's relevant.

    I think it's also linked to the conversation about the university that was happening the other day. In the past, a student might welcome 3 house work on a Saturday afternoon for £20-30. It would pay for their night out. With the changing demographic of the student population the employees just aren't there.
     
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  8. XCIV_Bantam

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    home office/border control? that's their specific job :joy:

    you know most "illegal" migrants actually just come here on a holiday visa and just overstay their visa right? papers don't report that though I wonder why... :unsure:
     
  9. Bronco

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    Yes isn't it a shame that people work in such low paid jobs that they need top ups, so the employer is getting away with not paying a living wage and the tax payer you and me make the difference up.

    So my pension is benefit behave.
     
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    Why are we discussing illegals the debate is with regards EU citizens having free movement within the EU.
    These home office border controls that were very much a part of cut backs and austerity under this present government.
     
  11. Bronco

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    I haven't a clue what you're on about.
     
  12. YungNath

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    staff shortages in relation to hospitality rather than seasonal farming. vast majority of people where working once a week for four hours is remotely worthwhile will be students.

    with regard to sorting visas for eu folk for fruit picking etc, we've spent the last 8 years telling them how much we don't need them so nobody wants to now bronco! this has been a big issue for me with brexit, the amount of people with 0 knowledge of an industry trying to say we dont need these people or that process when in almost every example we absolutely bloody do. seasonal fruit/veg farming being a massive example of this.
     
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    because the point was "who would police them" when in actuality non EU migrants can easily do what you suggest. I.E EU was never the problem in the first place. The government was.

    either way the notion of EU migrants (or any migrant) coming here to just only claim benefits is just a falsehood spouted off by governments and papers. Our benefit spend has not decreased since we have left the EU.
     
  14. Bronco

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    How's that when they were perfectly entitled to come to the UK as EU citizens maybe the farmer telling lies.
    I'm sat in a hotel whilst replinging where there are many young Polish workers, why should we prohibit others who are more that happy to come and work because it seasonal.

    I've never been an advicate of ZHW but unfortunatly thats a way of life for some in the modern working inviroment and IMO why working people need to be union members.
     
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    No that was something you brought into the debate
     
  16. Bronco

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    I've not disagreed with regards comments in the past many low paid jobs were filled by EU workers that still could be the case if the government got the visa situation sorted out so we agree ?.
     
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    So this demonstrates that the problem with labour shortages is a result of Brexit. Before Brexit these workers didn't need a visa, so they could come here easily on a flexible, seasonal basis, to work in agriculture, bars, restaurants, hotels etc. Now, many are deterred from coming by the necessity of work permits, visas etc and the smaller number that do still wish to come are held up by processing delays at our end. So the hospitality industry is seriously understaffed and farmers can't get their crops harvested. None of these problems would be happening except for Brexit.
     
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    These situations shouldn't be happening for the reason that farmer stated its not a lack if EU worker not wanting to come but because the government haven't got their act together with with regards visas.
     
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    No. Because the point of free movement of labour was that people could move in and out of employment here on a hassle-free, flexible basis. Many people, such as students working in bars , restaurants and hotels, or fruit pickers looking for short term harvesting work, will not bother going through the onorous rigmarole of having to get visas, proof of employment etc when they can go to other EU countries for work with no such hassle. We have massively shot ourselves in the foot on this. Unless wages are increased significantly enough to attract more British people into these jobs - which would put prices up even higher than they are already rising - we are going to be stuck with staff shortages and small businesses going bust as a consequence for the foreseeable future.
     
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    And Liz Truss wants to cut civil service jobs even further. Which magic wand is going to speed up visa processing?
     

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