Match Thread City v Doncaster Rovers Saturday 30 July 2022 @ 3.00pm

It amazes me how anyone can argue it was controlled and not reckless.

 

Besides there being the major points during the match, I was uneasy about two other matters.
Firstly the two city centre halves seemed fairly easily beaten by high balls knocked forward. This could be used upon them by other teams if this is the case.
The other point was how many times did the Donny keeper kick the ball out whilst inside his penalty area? In my mind every time he kicked the ball he was outside the area but was never picked up on it by the assistant ref.

 

All fans always have and always will see things differently to the ref but today that ref was really poor. The EFL have promised to deal with time wasting. What did he do today? He didn't control the game, the Donny players did right from the kick off. When Osadebe was on the floor with his foot at entirely the wrong angle, that ref ignored him and carried on talking to Ravenhill. It was players from both sides that were screaming for help to come on.

 

So the momentum injured him. He was out of control because he tackled in a way that produced momentum that injured his opponent.

 

Who said this

Which is OUT OF CONTROL and wreckless . How am I making anything up…your quote not mine.

 

So seems no one can agree on that yellow/red. But what about Harratt? What happened there? At the final whistle, it seemed Cook got involved in some altercation. iFollow didn't catch it, but I presume it was with their keeper who he had just had a barnie with earlier. No idea how Harratt got involved thought, as that seemed to be something else happening on the half way line.

 

Harratt was being “Jack the lad” . The situation got the better of him perhaps? I’m sure he will learn from it? But if he did raise his hand to an opponent then it’s red. No argument.

 

Harratt let frustration about time wasting get the better of him and gave their keeper a couple of cuffs round the ear. Led to general mayhem and a red card for Harratt.
Too hot headed, lost his cool, but he is young and hopefully will learn from it. Stupid though.

 

A player's momentum carrying them into an opponent is in no way the same as being out of control. Pretty much every time a player goes to ground their momentum carries them into an opponent.

 

I'm not sure unless you were at the game and you saw the sort of tactics Doncaster were using you could get a feeling for the game, they were at it from the kick off.
I'm not laughing in your face I just cant understand how you can defend the FACT that his tackle was not under control if not it was reckless by the laws of the modern game, and as so was a straight red, its not difficult the referee got it wrong by his own guild lines.

 

So Ravenhills aggression/momentum in the tackle was controlled to the point where he could have pulled out but didn't. Is that now intent or just reckless?

 

Sound like the club may contest it the way Sparkie spoke about the situation.

 

Of course it does but if the momentum carries them into an opponent in a reckless, dangerous or excessive way then that should be penalised by the referee.

The choice that a player makes cannot be limited to the initial contact on the ball. That would lead to some ludicrous challenges.

 

You are wasting your time Dave.

 

Surely if a player is not controlling his momentum, he is not in control. That tackle was reckless and dangerous as the result showed.

 

I didn't say you were laughing in my face. I said you would be if a load of neutrals had said it was a red. You'd be within your rights as my premise is that we are by nature unable to be objective. Like I say neutrals (whoever they support) I believe would say that it wasn't a red.

I don't think going into a challenge with enough force to carry through into an opponent automatically constitutes it being 'out of control'. Inevitably his trailing leg has to come through at some point in the challenge. It can't continue to be trailing while he's sliding forward. Osadebe gets his leg caught under the trailing leg and that is desperately unlucky but you could commit the same challenge 100 times and not cause injury. Its one of those things that can happen in any challenge. If he'd ploughed into Osadebe's standing leg with his leading leg then I'd deem it out of control.

 

You're correct. It does not (quote) "automatically constitutes it being 'out of control'" but in this case, it did.

And further, to your point, hitting a standing leg cannot be the only circumstance that results in a red card.

 

Nail head! Either reckless or intentional, if he’s in control then it’s intent, if it’s his momentum that he can’t control its reckless.
Quite simple really!

 

Must have been a fair slap from Harratt.

 

Don't talk stupid-"you could commit the same challenge 100 times and not cause injury"-you saw what damage that challenge caused today - reckless and badly timed. I will now leave you to defend the indefensible.