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Social Care, NHS, National Insurance

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Aaron Baker, Sep 6, 2021.

  1. Aaron Baker

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    Although nothing is confirmed yet but its looking pretty likely that they're going to try and increase funding for the Care sector through an increase in National Insurance

    I don't particularly love any tax increases and in general don't feel that health and care can adequately be funded purely through tax income but given the last 18 months there probably has to be something done.

    Is there better alternatives than NI though?
     
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  2. Bantam Begins

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    I’m not trying to be the standard knuckle head about immigration here but we also have an awful lot of new comers who want housing/accommodation which puts pressure on almost everything which will cost hundreds of millions. Of course the government will never ever admit it.
     
  3. Mike Hunt

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    Five years ago it was painted on the side of a bus that we could give the NHS £350m a week more if we left the EU.

    Now Johnson is saying the ordinary working man and woman needs to pay more tax to fund healthcare, whether that’s primary, secondary tertiary or social is irrelevant, we’re being told to pay more.

    The wealthy who live off share dividends and other mysterious sources of income won’t have to pay any more tax than they do now.

    Penny dropped yet?
     
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  4. Edin Nowhere

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    Haven't they tagged a 3% rise for Social care on council tax bills year on year recently?
     
  5. Craven Cottager

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    Yeah. Tax the rich Tory donors.
     
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    Blame Covid; they will.
     
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  7. Aaron Baker

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    Through what means?

    Tax the rich is usually everyone's answer - of course who the rich are changes depending on where you stand in society - but how do you actually measure and collect it?
     
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    Could introduce a super tax for income over £150k or whatever level.
    Personally I think any increase should be on income tax rather than NI so that all people earning income are hit equally rather than just income from employment
     
  9. Aaron Baker

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    Don't we already have one? The 45% tax kicks in at £150k or are you saying higher than that?

    The bit about NI not applying to all income makes sense.
     
  10. Storck

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    Yep, forgot about that. Maybe even higher then £250k?
     
  11. trevor

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    National Insurance is just income tax by another name but is paid more by the lower income groups with a reduced rate for high earners,
    The increase funding if needed should be on income tax say a 2p increase which would be paid by all including non employed so much fairer, Of course the right thing would be to wrap income tax and national insurance together in one tax but governments fear that although for the best that people may well understand better how much tax they are paying,
     
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    will hit the poorest and youngest hardest, I am happy to pay more to fund adequate services for the common good but I dont think it's fair people in my age and income bracket should bear the brunt, as this measure will ensure. Just giving young people even less reason to ever vote conservative if that was possible. No contributions from others who generate income not through employment (Landlords for example), and next to no contributions in other areas vs people working.
     
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    I'm actually a little bit embarrassed about how little I knew about the differences between Income Tax and NI. It seems needlessly complicated but i doubt anybody is ever going to tear it up and simplify it.
     
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  15. Aaron Baker

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    Nobody ever does!!

    The dividend levy might help even it up a bit but it's still not ideal. Think the only real benefit to NI over IT is that it's also paid by employers.

    It's very weird to see a Conservative government increasing tax to fund social care/NHS and be criticised by people who are left leaning. We almost seem to have the most socialist government we've had for a decade or more but it doesn't seem to actually be pleasing anybody.

    [​IMG]
     
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  16. Tony Wilkinson

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    That's right, we're getting Corbynism all round through the back door, could things possibly get any worse..?
    At least we are recruiting 1000 lorry drivers a day off the dinghies..!!
     
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  17. trevor

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    Triple lock on pension manifesto promise also broken today with wages taken out of the increase and just the higher of inflation or 2,5% to count as the increase,
    This will mean instead of an increase matching wages of 8.8% they will now get a increase of 2.5% cutting the pension increase by 6.3%
     
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  18. Get Rid Of It

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    The triple lock on pension has been suspended next year as i dont think any government was expecting to hand out 8% increases to pensioners on a yearly basis.
    It is all down to an anomaly- workers(well you have to call them summat) coming out of furlough and back into jobs causing a wages boom.
    2.5% sounds about right if they are offering nurses 1% and other public sector workers can take a hike!

    As for Tony's point about illegal immigrants- he has well and truly kneed himself there- those guys and gals will be used to driving on the wrong side of the road.
    Not a good idea.
     
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  19. Faithful Bantam

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    Its just another broken government promise, another kick in the balls for the poorest people in the country.

    I have zero trust in the honesty and capability of any political party or politician. Not one.

    Guy Fawkes had it right tbf.
     
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  20. Tony Wilkinson

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    They'll be at home in Bradford then eh ?
     
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