Covid & Covid Passports - Rules & Logistics for City matches?

The idea of covid passports is abhorrent. And I say that as someone who has had the first jab so far. Participation in life should not be determined by your vaccination status nor your ability to take a lateral flow test.

And anyway, the LFTs are useless. I have covid right now, and the LFTs I took all returned negative results. My symptoms persisted so got a PCR test which confirmed it, but basing anything on an LFT is a pointless exercise.

 

I believe its been qouted there may be restrictions for people who don't have both injections, so you can believe it or not.

 

NO to vaccine passports..

If it a condition of entry to anywhere I won't be going. That includes city and they will be giving me a refund. I will not ware a mask anymore.

 

I’ve had my vaccinations, but I do understand why some have reservations about it.
With children we have consent by proxy (parental consent) - different argument to my point.
Someone not having a vaccination doesn’t expose others to the risk (if they’ve made a decision to have the vaccination).
And if it does - it defeats the object if the vaccination doesn’t protect the vaccinated.
I just don’t think we should be making it mandatory through either law or removal of liberties and freedom.

 

why should we take a 'risk' in taking a vaccine but get no rewards for doing so?

What utter gibberish. Your reward is protection against the virus. If you don't believe it protects you, why the feck did you take it?

 

I'm aware it has been quoted, I'm astonished at people's attitude to simple cast people off as second class citizens so easily.

For the record, I am double jabbed but unlike others I am not shit scared of coming into contact with someone who is not vaccinated, I don't want them banned from society and I don't want them made the scapegoats going forward.

 

I'm casting no-one off I saying what might be the case going forward, I believe the government are leaving it to airlines etc to make their own rules some are saying the wearing of masks wil be compulsory flights.
Also talk of front line HNS and care home workers needing to have had both jabs, that commone sense don't you think.

 

I completely agree but entering a negative LFT into the system provides even less inconvenience for them, especially if they're of the mindset that the situation isn't serious enough to get a vaccination for whatever reason.

But overall I would be annoyed if places like Valley Parade start requiring a "passport", ignoring for the fact that it's easy to get around if people so wish, as somebody who is double jabbed it's none of my business if the person next to me is vaccinated or not. If they are unvaccinated it's no guarantee that they are carrying the virus and if they are vaccinated it's no guarantee that they're not. Either way it makes no difference to me as long as the protection provided by my inoculation actually works.

 

There are many of us (rightly or wrongly) that see a wider agenda at play here and it is not just about our aversion to taking a jab or test.

I see a cynical attempt to drive everyone towards the adoption of a digital ID through a manufactured pseudopandemic.

Before anyone jumps on me, I know there have been victims claimed by Covid19.

My view however is that the response to SARS Cov2 has and continues to be disproportionate to the threat.

Vax passports cannot be justified on the basis that 99.85% of people DON'T die from the infection.

This really is a matter of principle for me whether I am right or wrong and providing a negative test enables the digital ID plan further.

 

You’re preaching to the converted here pal. The whole thing stinks. I’ve been jabbed, I’m happy to test when I need to do so - I’m not happy to share my medical status as a pre-cursor to being able to go to a pub, restaurant or football match. And I won’t.

 

If we hadn't locked down, isolated, social distanced and vaccinated then that death rate would have been higher. All that has kept it from being in the millions is management of the disease. The steps taken and the steps to be taken are needed to protect people like my daughter who as a nurse is absolutely shattered by the whole experince and spent months working extra shifts to cover illness at work and wearing PPE that brought her out in a rash.

If covid passports help protect the frontline workers of the NHS then they should be mandatory and those who refus ethe vaccine should be told to stay home.

 

This discussion has gone on a serious tangent from the ops original thinking....

 

This idea of vaccine passports is abhorrent. I've had my first dose of the jab but that was my choice, as it is the choice of others to reject the vaccine if they so wish. As soon as schemes like this are introduced, you're effectively making vaccines compulsory. Its compulsory vaccination by coercion and its morally wrong.

If laws are brought in to exclude the unvaccinated from pubs/restaurants/stadia then you're creating a two tiered society where the unvaccinated are treated as second class citizens. I'm not sure how anyone who believes in human rights can support such a scheme.

The comparison I've seen to smoking and such bans is nonsense. On the one hand you have cigarettes that have zero positive health benefits and cause terminal illnesses that have been proven over decades of scientific research. And on the other you have scepticism of a vaccine that nobody knows the long term side effects of. The two aren't comparable in the slightest.

Back to the OP and their possible introduction at stadia. Its not gonna happen. And by that, I mean the implementation of such measures. The guidance to use them might be there, but as with the covid app QR code that you were supposed to scan when you went to the pub, people will stop caring almost instantly and give up on it. And its more effort than its worth for the stewards to bother enforcing it.

And the idea that these certificates will have the option for a negative test rather than vaccination is laughable. If that is brought in then as others have said, people will just fake the test which undermines their whole purpose anyway.

 

Reduction is reduction but it doesn't mean that every action to bring that about is proportional.

Creating a whole system to change the number of people in a crowd who are infected from 0.3% to 0.25% (for example) isn't automatically necessary or a good use of power or resource.

Just need to point out that we have absolutely no idea about the affects of contagion or transmission for Delta. The effects with Alpha were already sketchy although positive.

 

People with HIVAids were oppressed because of homophobia and the false fear that non-infected people could catch it by ordinary social contact with them. HIV doesn't transmit from person to person in close proximity via the air - but Covid does. Keeping people with HIV out of public buildings would have no impact on the spread of the illness, but excluding people who are the most likely to be carrying Covid, does.
So, again, it's a totally false and misleading equivalent.

"For some reason". The reason is obvious. Covid causes serious, prolonged illness in many people and death to others. Yes, 87.5 % of adults are vaccinated, but the vaccines aren't foolproof, so there's still a significant minority vulnerable to getting serious Covid, and it's a lottery - no one knows which of them is still vulnerable until they get it.