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Sin Bin & Other Law Changes

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Offcomedun, May 21, 2021.

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  1. Offcomedun

    Offcomedun Important Player
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    And maybe you should study the laws of the game.
    It's bizarre that you can't grasp the difference between normal defending and blatant time wasting.
     
    #21 Offcomedun, May 21, 2021
  2. bantam65

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    Change the bloody record.
    They both use their body to prevent an opponent getting to the ball.....both obstructive.
     
    #22 bantam65, May 21, 2021
  3. SimonW

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    A lot of what you might deem normal shielding isn't though and that's the problem if you are shielding it for maybe a yard or two then fine but it's often more than that. When you end up shielding it for 6, 12, 18 yards (on some occasions even longer) then its as much about time-wasting as taking it into the corner. Just like on the attacking side more often than not when a defender does this, especially if it's a big, strong CB any attempt to get around the shield is going to end up having a foul called.
     
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    #23 SimonW, May 21, 2021
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    Time wasting is down to the referee's interpretation of the laws of the game.
     
    #24 1975citygent, May 21, 2021
  5. bantam65

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    It's actually bizarre that you asked about law changes.....and when I suggested one you went on to preach about me not knowing the laws....you're crackers.
     
    #25 bantam65, May 22, 2021
  6. Kevin1954

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    Doesnt it just make one feel one wants to kick them 6 rows up the seats?
     
    #26 Kevin1954, May 22, 2021
  7. Rogered Tart

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    A completely off the cuff thought but I'd like to see each team have to leave at least one player in the oppositions half. I have no idea how you would police it but it might hopefully stop teams sticking 10 men behind the ball.
     
    #27 Rogered Tart, May 22, 2021
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  8. Offcomedun

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    Yes exactly!
    It's completely different from just shielding the ball out of play, which is a perfectly reasonable defensive technique.
    When I see them huddled around the ball in the corner it makes me want to just scythe in at knee height and take them out. It's such an anti-football tactic.
     
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  9. bantam65

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    You still spouting the same shit?
     
    #29 bantam65, May 23, 2021
  10. Offcomedun

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    You said that shepherding the ball out of play is obstruction. It clearly isn't if the ball is within playing distance of the defender. That's a fact, as the laws make clear. If you are proposing changing the obstruction law then say so. But that's not what you said.
    Shielding the ball in the corner isn't obstruction either. But it is blatant time-wasting, which is why I'd like to see it stopped, albeit I don't really know how.
    It's not my fault if you can't comprehend the difference between the two scenarios.
     
    #30 Offcomedun, May 23, 2021
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    On point 1: I don't really agree with the concept. You'd have to, I would think, re-think, indeed re-classify, fouls and their punishments, and come up with a new system: free-kick fouls - sin bin fouls - dismissal fouls. (Granted the last-named wouldn't change.) And then the logistics of the sin-bin: how long / differing lengths for differing fouls / how many can be in the bin at any one time / what happens when someone commits a sin-bin foul when their side already has the maximum allowed number of players in the bin / does the sin-bin time end (as in hockey) if the short-handed team concedes a goal?

    Point 2: Make a real effort to lessen -- I'm not so naive as to think you could eliminate -- time-wasting and play-acting. Use video assistance for goal decisions only, and mandate that the technology be installed in all League stadia (funding for this from the EFL). Change the offside rule so that you can only be offside in the final, attacking, third of the pitch.

    Invent, and install in all stadia, a one-way invisible "wall" on the half-way line which, once the attacking side has taken the ball over, will prevent the ball from being passed back by them into their own half. Either that, or 15 minutes in the sin-bin for a first offence, and dismissal for a second. Grrrrr!

    RCB
     
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    #31 River_City_Bantam, May 24, 2021
  12. Tony Wilkinson

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    Make it so that to be offside then the WHOLE of the body is offside then eliminating to a degree an accidental/unintended offside position..
     
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    #32 Tony Wilkinson, May 24, 2021
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    I would like to see a trial of having no referee just linesmen for out of play and a stop start hooter,
     
    #33 trevor, May 25, 2021
  14. Offcomedun

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    What are you calling 'the body'? Torso? Everything? You'd still be left with those marginal calls, especially where the attacker is on the far side from the lino/VAR camera. But they'd be harder to determine because you'd be trying to guess whether a small portion of the body (elbows? heels?) is behind the defender instead of sticking out in front.
     
    #34 Offcomedun, May 25, 2021
  15. Tony Wilkinson

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    I know what you mean but the same thing is happening now as far as margins, but with my idea it would be more of a blatant intent to be offside where as now close offsides do not appear to be always intentional...
     
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  16. Offcomedun

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    True. Plus, it would favour the attacking side, which is good.
     
    #36 Offcomedun, May 25, 2021
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    All you do is move the point of contention and actually allow for more manipulation of the rules as an attacker can gain a yard by just ensuring the toe of they trailing leg is level with part of the defender. It will make it a nightmare for defenders especially if already slower than the attacker to a point you very well might just see defensive lines get deeper thus making for less goals and more boring games as playing for an offside would be such a low percentage play
     
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  18. Tony Wilkinson

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    My idea would promote attacking football, I could more easily accept decisions against my team where the offside position was more obvious but as we are now it has taken the celebration of a goal less pleasurable as we now look for the lino's flag which should have been shown 20 yards back....
     
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    While giving attackers an advantage might seem to promote attacking it is unlikely to do so. If the advantage is too high which this would be because the attacker can be significantly ahead but still be onside as it just needs the attackers tip of the trailing foots toe to be level with any of the defender then the risk to the defending team is too high, they are going to sit deep and not allow any chance of running in behind.

    And you will still have to wait as it will still need checked to see if it's in line. The biggest thing that slows var checking offside down is the false perspective the camera angles cause, you have to draw the lines and carefully place them even if it seems obvious they are either on or off as the naked eye often gets it wrong because of this
     
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