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Should Season Tickets Include I-Follow?

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Bigrod, Feb 16, 2021.

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Should City offer I-Follow as part of the Season Ticket Package

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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    25.5%
  1. trevor

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    If they did ifollow for games instead of 26 boots on the ground if marketed right could have hundreds on iFollow, Times have changed and covid has accelerated it, Those that fail to embrace it will rightly wither
     
  2. SimonW

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    Why should they be the ones who are moving to accommodate you? Saturday at 3PM is more of a prime spot whereas Sundays are often overloaded with TV sporting offerings. Also your players are professionals that even at this level get paid ridiculous amounts, go even into the National league proper and some of those clubs are semi-pro meaning you have part-time players, let alone below that level. Asking a pro to change his weekly schedule is much less of an issue that asking someone who isn't full time.

    Even then it also needs to be fairer at EFL level and the EFL have to also help non-league. For iFollow season tickets (which would only be home games) see the club keep 60% of the income, 30% goes into a central pot that's distributed across all the teams in the league and the final 10% goes into a grassroots fund that can be distributed to the non-leagues. And for tickets sold on the day have the same split no matter what team sells the ticket. 60% to home side, 30% to away side and 10% into a non-league fund.

    And equally, if the PL then joined in and started doing something where all tv rights in the UK were sold then a percentage of that would go into the EFL funds to distribute evenly between teams in each division (and maybe a smaller percentage than the EFL's take could go from the PL pot into the grassroots fund)
     
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  3. SimonW

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    Lets say all football was available on ifollow. How many people who aren't diehard fans are going to go 'Well I have all these options, you know what I'm paying £10 to watch a tier 8 side when I could pay £10 and watch a PL team'.

    Lets see that would be.......pretty much zero.

    And do you seriously think most clubs have the ability to broadcast their matches. Have you not been noticing how piss poor ifollow production is on League 2 matches? How is a tier 8 or below side going to afford decent cameras and the means to live stream it in the required quality? And the more obscure a match is the more you are needing things like commentary and/or onscreen graphics. As you know I'm not a City fan but I have been watching the City matches while I'm making sure you guys don't break the site on matchday and doing the twitter updates BUT I don't usually have the sound on as I'm doing other things at the same time and that does mean at times I'm lost, by this point in a season I'm starting to know City players just from looking at them and having set numbers in the EFL helps but certainly I don't know many of the opponents and it can leave you do lose something due to that, especially as even at VP who will have better facilities in the ground than most the camera doesn't help
     
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  4. Ulysses S Grant

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    Partly negated by the fact that you follow a club not football in general. If Liverpool v Man Utd (for example) were on ifollow at 3pm on a Saturday, would it make me watch that instead of watching City away at Exeter ? No. If it clashed with a home match or an away match I wanted to attend (and assuming fans are back in) would I watch the PL on ifollow ? No.

    If City were available on ifollow for an away match or I could pay £10 to go to Halifax or Guiseley or Farsley or even Eccleshill United, would I go to the match ? No, I'd pay my money and watch MY club.

    Non league clubs would only lose out if your own club weren't playing and you chose to watch the "big match" on ifollow rather than go non league.

    I don't even watch the PL on match of the day.
     
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  5. SimonW

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    You have missed my point though. It's about the casual fans who goto lower league football because they can't watch their club. I've used this example before but I spent most of my school life living in Farnborough in Hampshire. Not only is it a London commuter town but its next to Aldershot which call's itself the home of the British Army and is surrounded by other important military areas so what you have is a town of people who have ties all over the country and as such football allegiances all over the country. While there were obviously alot of London club fans and it made going to their clubs matches more viable you had myself a Man Utd fan who couldn't just pop up for a match (especially as my Dad would often be working Saturdays) and my friend group included a couple of Liverpool fans, a Rangers fan, a Leeds fan, a Newcastle fan and a forest fan outside those who supported London clubs. So we couldn't just head off and watch the clubs we supported, if we wanted to watch football on a Saturday afternoon our options were Farnborough Town, Cove, Aldershot or if we jumped on a train perhaps Basingstoke or Guildford. We would generally end up at Farnborough as the highest level team of those options at the time. Between us, especially as sometimes parents would attend with us they were probally getting anywhere from £1000 to £2000 a season from us as a group which if we could have paid to stream any match we wanted they wouldn't have got.

    Clubs will keep their hardcore fans who will most likely goto the ground and or at least pay to stream but its those casual fans who pay on the gate and buy refreshments that they lose out on and thats important
     
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  6. Ulysses S Grant

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    Fair comment, I guess that out of the circles I move in there must be a fair few casual football fans who attend local matches. When my dad was in the army at Aldershot he did used to go there, despite being a die hard City fan.
     
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    Without reading 4 pages, has anyone mentioned that ifollow won’t be allowed in the UK after Covid for Saturday 3pm games.
    Therefore no point including it in season ticket.
     
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    I think posters on here are vastly overestimating the appeal of lower league football, it's largely shit. As we see from the ifollow figures this season it is difficult to even get the hardcore to pay to watch it when we're locked down, making it a permanent offer is not going to lead to a bigger audience, though dedicated fans may watch a few more away games at the right price.
     
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    Offering ifollow as a routine service will cut the away attendance dramatically. It’s a bad idea and shouldn’t even be given light of day.
     
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    If you read the pages you will see it is a discussion of the EFL getting the rules changed so it is allowed. There is nothing to stop the rules being changed as has been shown currently
     
  11. Loyalbantam

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    Well changing the rules to allow live streaming of every game when fans are allowed will harm the game even more in my opinion.
     
  12. trevor

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    Televising Live games will kill football, The stadiums will be empty, Who will go to matches when can view in front room, ( The view of some on the FA when SKY deal proposed )
     
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    Several posters on this thread have mentioned how difficult it is to get home after work and then get to VP in time for a midweek kick off. Just go straight from work. Fish and chips from Peel Park chippie in the car. Sorted
     
  14. Petrov

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    That is one option but midweek games were already available on ifollow prior to this season anyway so not really a problem.
     
  15. Rogered Tart

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    No it won't. Poeple who go to away games will go regardless, away fans aren't your casual nothing better to do on a Saturday only going cos the season tickets are cheap fans. Away days are all about the full day experience not watching a crap camera view on TV. Ifollow gives the opportunity to fans who would like to see the away game live but circumstances dictate otherwise. Has to be implemented at some stage.
     
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    Yeah it was just a general comment really. I could just about get home and then get to the match in time for kick off but my way is much less rushed. Unless I am away, I have never been tempted to watch a midweek home game on ifollow
     
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    Maybe it should only be offered where the away allocation of tickets is sold out
     
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    Agree. I posted earlier in this thread. I only go to a few away games because I can't afford the time for the longer trips. If ifollow was available I would still go to the same number of away games because as you say it's about the matcday experience. I would however pay to watch the games I can't get to, so someone is missing out on potential income from me and I expect many thousands of fans across the country
     
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    If you believe that attendances would be unaffected then ask yourself why Saturday 3pm games are not shown live? Have you seen the dip in midweek attendances at VP when CL or internationals are on TV ? You are the exception but for many it will simply take away the desire to travel to away games, midweek home games etc etc. If it happens then it needs to be limited rather than just being widely available. If travel time is the barrier rather than cost then maybe away games can be exclusively streamed back to VP in the banqueting suites combined with buying a meal.
     
  20. Rogered Tart

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    No, in todays world with modern technology why shouldn't people be able to view a game live if their circumstances dictate they can't get to game they would normally go to. Or they live to far away, say in another country. There may have to be something put in place so you can't just buy one viewing pass and everyone is able to see it, could be difficult when its coing through a TV. Maybe way in the future its the one pass for one virtual headset where only one individual can view an individual pass. I dunno, its a tough call but we live in a world where technology allows this to become reality.
     

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