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Match Thread Home v Salford Tuesday 27th April@7.00pm

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by BearBantam, Feb 11, 2021.

  1. Rogered Tart

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    But but but, we can't put prices up, how dare we deny those poor destitute fans those £6.50 a game tickets. You heartless fiends who be taking food from the mouths of children if you put them up £2 a game.
     
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  2. Rogered Tart

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    Infact raising the price from £6.50 a game to £8.50 a game calculated with a mythical 10,000 sales brings in an extra £455,000 in one go. Now for anyone wanting to counter that point of view, please tell me you cannot afford to pay £8.50 a game and i'll call you a liar.
     
  3. Park bantam

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    That old chestnut. There is no need whatsoever to raise prices above a nominal amount especially now under the circumstances the world is in.
    We have a stadium far to big for our present Circumstances and we need people in there a big hike in prices would lead to a big reduction in take up and another sizeable reduction in retail and catering.
    On a number of occasions we have been on the cusp of the championship with affordable football and we can be again. Once there would be the time to look at prices
     
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  4. Rogered Tart

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    Can you afford £8.50 game Park?
     
  5. Dennis

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    I'm so heartless! I think of it more as tough love ;)
     
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  6. Dennis

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    For those like you who seem to think that increasing ST prices will lead to a commensurate fall in sales leaving us no better off maybe we should reduce prices, sell more tickets and we'd equally be no worse off? Those empty seats in the stadium would be filled though.

    If you re-read what I said, an increase in ST prices would need to go hand-in-hand with a proper marketing campaign where the club explains why prices need to increase. We can't hgave one without the other. That's what most sensible businesses would do as Mason demonstrated when he managed to sell 18,000 STs a few season ago.
     
  7. Bronco

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    FFS mate get off the fence ;)
     
  8. andyc

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    Can people remeber standing on the old crumbling kop in the 70's with crowds bearly pushing 2000. I can.
    15000 fans at £150 is the same income as 8000 at £300.The difference is the benefits of more match day income from kiosk sales , replica kits etc and better commercial deals.
    Yes i am well aware that the football club is a business, but it is not a normal one. If you don't like the product's at Asda , you go to Morrisons, Sainsbury's etc. If you dont like the football , you dont move to Leeds etc you suffer or you stay at home.
    I am not against a raise in ticket prices , this is not the time. I was just suggesting that ,we the fans have a bigger role to play than just buying cheap tickets and attending on a match day or not!
    It was Dundee utd fans who have given the club 2 -£100,000 donations in the past 12 months.
     
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  9. JonButterfield

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    I lose sleep over the money we're not raising to support a multi millionaire in his pursuit of his missing investment.

    Raise ticket prices exponentially immediately.
     
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  10. Park bantam

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    You can have as many marketing campaigns as you want but that wouldn’t help out a young family who all come along to matches because it’s made affordable. We need to improve things on the pitch and have a renewed marketing campaign to sell more tickets at the affordable price. And once more I say during our time under this policy we have twice been close to the championship where it’s more of a premium product therefore the time to look at pricing. Fortunately at this time the club see things the same way.
     
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  11. Tingleyb

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    We've not had ST's for a couple of years after the kids got bored. I would pay more if I could see real improvement in the team and business strategy. This would include commited ownership, plans to buy ground, new improved training facilities and better catering etc.
     
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  12. bantamdave41

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    Problem is, maybe next season, we may struggle to sell 8000 season tickets at £150.
    We have a core basis, much more than 70s era you denote. Do we continue to flog season tickets at rock bottom prices, when our support base is falling? Surely must effect commercial and hospitality packages (though they will have hot running water in toilets)?

    I'm not against club funding beyond season ticket prices but I'll be damned if I pay for a basic necessity such as hot water.

    Imagine the outcry, if in the cusp of a global pandemic, you went into ANY business that did not have this basic necessity. The MSM, social media.....

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  13. Rogered Tart

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    Exactly. instead of banging on about the pitfully low price of £150 how about do the hard sell that a price increae of £2 a game could well make the difference to a promotion budget next season. The club is at last showing a modicum of ambition in bringing in players like Rowe and Canavan, its about time the fan base understood you don't get something for nothing. You want self sufficiency without a sugar Daddy it comes at a cost.
     
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    You are probably right . Ticket sales will depend on how well we finish this season and if we are actually able to attend, this i follow is a very poor option. I also wonder, if not owning the stadium restricts what the club are willing to do improvement wise.
    I have always beleved that we have fans have invested more over the years , than any chairman, who might be around for a few years , then sail off either richer or probably in city's case poorer. The only way Mr Rupp will turn a profit, is to get the club in to the top end of the championship, and that is going to take more investment .
     
  15. Dennis

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    Yep. If the club wants to increase its revenue, it has to increase both its entertainment value by which I mean what we all see on the pitch and the services and facilities it provides for its custoners, sorry fans. Both of those cost money. And I want a club which can do those things on a sustainable basis without relying on the handouts from its owners irrespective of how much money they have. In reality that means we fans having to pay more for our entertainment unless there are windfalls to be had again.

    If I were a widget manufacturer, I'd expect to be selling the widgets at the market price. If I wanted to sell more, I'd either have to become more efficient at producing them and or investing in equipment to manufacture a better widget with the expectation of then making more profit. I wouldn't be expecting the shareholders to give me some money so that the price paid for the widget could be subsidised. If I was ever in the market for a Tesla, I'd expect to pay the going rate for that premium product. I wouldn't exppect the owner to be subsidising my purchase even if Elon Musk is the richest man in the world.

    But that view isn't shared by all fans. Some believe that tickets to watch our team should be subsidised whilst others believe we can watch a better product without paying more for that. I really don't understand those views.
     
  16. Rogered Tart

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    That last sentence resonates with me a lot. A lot of fans seem to think that cheap season tickets is bringing in more money when really it limits as a club what we can bring in. It is infact a way of subsidising cheap football. Its all well and good having double the amount of customers, because essentially thats what we are, but if the revenue they bring in only equates to much the same of a fan base with half the fans paying double then its pointless.
    Forget the merchandising and catering argument, te scales of how much we actually sell wouldn't be that different. If raising the season ticket price by a couple of quid a game is apparently going to put off those masses of fans, then i can guarantee you those same fans aren't going to be spending money on food and merchandise at the club based on the prices charged as their whole argument for coming in the first place is because its dirt cheap. This wonderful notion that becuase tickets are cheap they spend it on shirts and food and drink is pretty naive.
    If you want this club to run like a sustainable business, which seems to be the mantrta these days, then the fans are going to have to shoulder some of that responsibilty. Having ridiculously cheap season tickets but then wanting to go round with the begging bowl for revenue is a very weird logic.
     
  17. Fordy117

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    Tesla just got in the market first. Nothing really in a Tesla barring a big like Ipad screen. Other electric cars will over take them but I get your point and fully agree.

    The season ticket prices have been too cheap for years but my thoughts are that the club was designed to blind side fans. We are giving you cheap season tickets because we are poor and don't expect us to improve on or off the pitch but it doesn't work that way on the pitch with fans but admittedly off the pitch with some it does.
     
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    I’ve said it before; its about value, more than price. We originally slashed the price because something had to be done to re-engage fans back in 2011(ish). It’s then become a self fullfilling myth that the only reason fans go now, is because its cheap. I think its a nonsense. If 12,000 people are willing and able to pay £150 to watch the shite we’ve been serving up for the last 3 years, they’ll pay £180 to watch something half decent. They’re not just going because its cheap, they’re going because they’ve re-established a connection with the club. Price increases have to be carefully managed, but we should look at whether the reduction of COVID restrictions will trigger a thirst for fans to want to get back to live games next season. I think it will. An increase to £175 is very reasonable and can be badged as less than £2 a game increase. If this club is to move forward, it’ll need fans to do their pay and pay something like the going rate. We haven’t even been increasing prices in line with inflation, so in real terms prices have been going down!!
     
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    Another post that has gone off topic, worse still is that a moderator is participating.
     
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  20. bantamdave41

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    Not much to speak about on topic though.
     

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