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Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Areyoureadingthisedin, Dec 30, 2020.

  1. Rogered Tart

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    Yeah my sentiments too. I was gonna point out the flaws but Eric McManus put it perfectly. And as for this argument that they're a selling club? FFS every lower league club is a selling club, it's exactly the point being made that a small club on its arse like Peterborough can be turned into a club that has a chance of competing. As for lacking ambition, I'm not even gonna take that comment seriously.
     
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  2. Rogered Tart

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    I hate to point out the blindingly obvious but we're 5 points from the bottom two of league 2 after a few years of absolute dross week in week out. I may be only guessing here but I expect that's the main reason for the negativity.
     
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    I agree with much of that and I hope that Posh are now getting on with the construction of their new stadium.

    One important detail which is incorrect is that MacAnthony and the two Canadians jointly are equal shareholders in Posh and MacAnthony didn't sell 51% of his own shareholding to them. Well, that's according to Companies House at least.
     
  4. NorthernMonkey

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    Yet in 1985 only 12 were. That's the first year I plucked out of my head and if I was a betting man there'd be years with fewer than 12.

    The big clubs will always be there though, it backs up the "financially biased" point I made but the comment made was about a natural level amongst 92 football teams, not just the top division.
     
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    Peterborough are basically wholesalers of footballers they buy well and sell on keeping the books balanced and if fans are happy with that it’s fair enough quite a few of their fans aren’t.
     
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  6. NorthernMonkey

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    Are ANY Bradford City fans (apart from you of course) happy with where we are?
     
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    We are talking about Peterborough aren’t we please quote me where I say I am happy with where we are
     
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    We all know what you're suggesting when we're comparing ourselves to Peterborough. It doesn't need another 43 pages of going round in circles to determine that you'll accept no direct or even indirect criticism of anything the club does.
     
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    I am suggesting nothing I have said often before that Peterborough is model that I would like city to follow. I have said for ever that we need to improve scouting to buy and sell players at the right time but at the same time see the club as well as being self sufficient but also progressing. Unlike you I don’t take the default position that everything the club does is wrong
     
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  10. Bigrod

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    My main point was about footballing success.

    I go back to the alternative clubs, which I highlighted.
    • Bournemouth were League Two in 2009/2010 went onto have 5 seasons in the Premiership.
    • Brighton were in the fourth tier when we were in the Premiership, in 2009/10 they were in League One, enjoying Premiership football.
    • Swansea were in the fourth tier when we were in the Premiership.
    The other clubs such as Stoke and Southampton have comparable potential catchment areas to Peterborough.

    For me, all those clubs have done far better, in footballing terms than Peterborough. I could add Brentford to that list.

    If we want to look at other clubs, then for those who talk about ‘ambition’ and measure it with success, then I feel those clubs have done far far better than Peterborough.
     
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  11. Botswana Bantam

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    Success comes at a point in time and is mainly the result of a build up or effort over time. Very few times is it a Leicester winning the PL type scenario. Because of all the online news and social media everyone is like "why can't we win now" "why can't we win the league today" Unfortunately, very little just happens without planning and taking time!
     
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    Aren’t those clubs owned by mega rich owners bankrolling everything? Bournemouth have the Russian. Brighton have Tony Bloom, who can’t be short of a few bob?

    Peterborough seem to be getting a good income from transfer revenues and reinvesting that, rather than owner plugging the holes?

    May be wrong but Posh’s model is sustainable but Bournemouth and Brighton’s seem less so.

    Not sure who owns Swansea these days. Did Huw Jenkins sell up?
     
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    Stokes owners own bet 365 don’t they? Minted
     
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    like the photos with Palladini and the newspaper in London?
    Were the club aware of that “incident’?
     
  15. Fordy117

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    Don't know if any watched Monday night football last night. Did you @wetherbywhaler@wetherbywhaler ?

    Neville was talking about North East and Yorkshire clubs and basically saying its not the managers fault up there and these clubs have been served up rubbish. Implying its the owners fault.

    When Bradford City fans start to understand that its OFF the pitch as well as ON the pitch that's important we might progress. Ryan's job needs to concentrated off the pitch!

    Some of you have been blinded by cheap tickets and having this blind loyal faith.

    Bradford City is a failing club! Forgetting turning the corner, it needs Rupp out and to fully start again!
     
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  16. Bigrod

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    We are continually told we ‘lack ambition’, the training facilities and comments about the owners. We know we have a stadium which is showing signs of wear and tear. We are sadly in the bottom six of the Football League. I just don’t see Peterborough as a shining alternative.

    Lots of football clubs have ‘questionable’ financial models, including virtually all (if not actually all) of those in the Premier League.

    If City were to fold, and if I were to go and watch another team, it certainly wouldn’t be Peterborough, even if geography were not an issue.

    The issues I responded to was success on the pitch and the amount of fans who are attracted to Peterborough, not a dissection of the finances and a new stadium.

    Quite frankly I don’t ‘get’ the love in for McAnthony, I don’t think from a football supporting perspective they are an attractive proposition. The fact that the level of support for Peterborough is pretty poor, despite it having a virtual monopoly on league football for a significant population, must be a reflection of something.

    When I go to a match and meet up with family and friends, we may in passing talk about the stadium. We don’t often discuss finances. We do talk about the football on the pitch and the players. I am not happy that City has sold some of its players. I guess as a Peterborough supporter I would be very unhappy to see all our stars regularly sold, whilst in reality we trod water for twenty years.
     
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    The thing it really needs is to rid itself of the "old boys club" image that is associated with its perennial failure.
     
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    Yes, Denise Coates. Bet 365 have dominated the online betting market. She’s been criticised plenty she’s that rich - a billionaire - but tbf she has given some to charity.

    Just as well she’s loaded given Stoke’s efforts at promotion!
     
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    I’m a bit lost now tbh. I was making the point its not fair to label Posh’s model unsuccessful because they are still in L1, while teams you mention have progressed from beneath them and into the PL. My point is that those clubs have wealthy benefactors.

    Peterborough’s focus every year is on goals and entertaining. Their production line of strikers they’ve developed and sold on for decent fees is testament to that.

    Their obsession with scoring goals has seen them neglect their defence but it’s hard to get £5-£10m for a League 1 CB so I think that is why they continue to pour so much resource into finding goalscorers.

    They don’t get big crowds and given the wage demands of Championship clubs - competing with ex Pl clubs on big parachute payments - you can forgive them for thinking they would be another ‘Rotherham’ really even if they went up.

    The Posh model is exactly the model BCAFC should be aspiring to IMO. Unless you have billionaire owners you need to develop and sell players to exist.
     
  20. Rogered Tart

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    Jeez Rod we get it, you dont rate what MacAnthony has done at Peterborough.
     
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