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Julian Rhodes

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Onside87, Sep 15, 2020.

  1. How

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    It’s funny isn’t it. You’ve got to use two of the worst run clubs in the league or who were in the league to show us in a positive light. Do you not find that ironic?
     
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    parkbantam?
     
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    That's EXACTLY what you're doing by solely blaming GR and absolving Julian of the blame.
     
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    Richmond sold us the dream and he delivered on it. More than our fans could ever dream of in fact.
    We will never get back to the premier league again in our life time. I just wish I was older at the time to appreciate it more.
    He made mistakes but up to that summer of madness every decision he took worked.

    Lawn again did a great job really to be fair. Not on a similar scale as Richmond at all but he used cheap tickets and found a good manager. And the majority of money he put into the club he got back. Fair play
    He deserved it. But he would always back the manager with a good budget. Even Stuart back in the day. Big budgets at the time were unheard of.
    I imagine if we got to championship we may have invested more in infrastructure and we were so close under Lawn.

    The only way under Rhodes has been down. He balances the books and doesn’t care the expense on the pitch. He’s not an owner or CEO who understands the modern game. Relegation after relegation show that before lawn came in. And so far it’s only been down with him as acting CEO. Rupp May be happy as we are not spending as much but in the long run his anticipated return will only dwindle with Rhodes at the helm.

    Not every new chairman has to be a rahic for example. There is plenty of good owners out there who take an active interest in the club.
     
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    Perhaps you should have spoken to Geoffrey Richmond to get a more balanced view though?

    Your discussions and evaluation on the subject seem a little one sided.
     
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    Hey @Rogered Tart@Rogered Tart - you're a bit of a thicko! There you go @Dennis@Dennis , a first time for everything.:thumbup:
     
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    So you're saying that we should ignore the scale of decision making and simply hold everyone accountable?

    Very well, but that's going to make life a real chore.

    You'll end up blaming people endlessly for everything; Boris Johnson for the Iraq War, all supermarkets for the plastic crisis, Julian Rhodes for the signing of Benito Carbone, the list will be endless.

    You're not really want to complain that much, are you, Monkey?

    Wait...
     
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    What is Richmond doing nowadays??

    Loved every minute of his time with the club and managed to get to most of the games home and away
     
  9. JonButterfield

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    That's a weird interjection at this point, considering people are using Richmond's mistakes to show how poor Rhodes did...

    But now you're here saying it was ace, so Rhodes must have done a good job?

    Ahh, opinions!
     
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    I suspect you're trying to derail the thread and move it onto something else that it wasn't but your original point that JR "was simply protecting his job" by going along with GR's wishes was addressed by @Dennis@Dennis in revealing the shareholding percentages.

    As for the Iraq war, the real perpetrator wasn't held to account either so maybe there is a connection after all.
     
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    Nobody has suggested that at all. Boards exist to make important decisions which can have serious impacts on their company's future. As an example, decisions on dividend payments can only be taken by the board. The taking on of commercial and investment loans are a matter for the board. Decisions to spend relatively large sums on new construction are decisions for the board. Board members are expected to question the executives (in this case GR) on other things which might impact on the future position of their company. I'd probably expect in the case of a football club that the board would as a minimum be asking questions about players' contracts especially if they were significant like Carbone's and Ward's.

    It's not about blaming one party or another. Boards are about collective responsibility. If a board member is concerned about an issue, they have a duty to speak up about it. That's even enshrined in the Companies Act. Those kinds of decisions at VP either went ahead with the tacit or explicit agreement of the entire board or some of the board were asleep at the wheel.
     
  12. Stafford Bantam

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    I did have the odd discussion with Geoffrey. It was his vision and risk taking that delivered the Premiership, Europe and financial meltdown. I still struggle to make my mind up whether, with hindsight, I would have bought into it, but it was one hell of a ride.

    As this was a thread about Julian Rhodes, my previous comments were focused on him. It just seems to me that far too often people's views tend to polarise to one extreme or the other when, if truth be known, things are usually far more complex than that.
     
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    Again though, you lay the blame, and to be fair the praise, solely at GR's door and that's simply not the reality, whichever way you look at it.

    That's not an extreme view, that's just basic fact when you consider the make up of the board and the shareholdings.
     
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    All well and good, but that doesn't mean it isn't a nonsense to blame Rhodes for the catastrophe when Richmond had been leading the club to greater and greater successes for quite some time.

    There is nothing inaccurate about your pragmatic take in a boards collective responsibility, but I do not at all accept the narrative that Rhodes should have stopped Geoffrey, or that anyone other than Richmond was making those calls.

    Complicit, maybe, and fair enough, but Rhodes butting heads with GR would have been a disaster for the club - either way, when you've got a guy like Richmond in charge, the abyss cannot be far away.

    It's basic boom or bust.
     
  15. Stafford Bantam

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    Absolutely not. Without doubt Geoffery was the main driver of City's move up to, and time in, the Premier League, but he should not solely take the praise for that, nor solely the blame for what happened afterwards.
     
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    I love the implied notion that JR wouldn't question someone who was effectively spending Daddy's money. BFG strolling into the office one day announcing he wants to build a new stand and Jr gives him the family credit card and says give it back when you've finished.
     
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    Maybe ask Gordon Gibb his opinion also.
     
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    Never got to speak to Gordon Gibb. It certainly would be interesting to get his input into what went on.
     
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    Chairman of New Rover cricket club Leeds last I heard
    The Richmond Oval,
    Adel
    Leeds
    http://newrover.play-cricket.com/Aboutus
     
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    I've just had a look at the "Officials" section and amongst GR and his son there's a guy call Mel Reuben who used to be GR's gofer. I remember him from the St Kitts pre season tour getting GR's food at the government hosted banquet the night before the first game and generally being his dogsbody the whole trip. Blast from the past! And apologies but totally unrelated to JR!
     
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