Expectations of McCall this season?

So what do you suggest as fans we do to bring success to the club that's the debate when posters suggest were happy to just tick over.
I'm sure we can all offer what the club might do to bring us success sooner than later but there is little as fans we can do apart from buy season tickets/merchandise etc and support the club financially.

Edit, are you under water down Apperley Bridge ?.

 

Tranmere poor side when I saw them on the box. I know they played Man U but didn't even come close to competing against an average Prem side. Clearly it had nothing to do with the level he was playing at, we were just supposed to swallow that excuse so it didn't come out it was the manager not the club he wanted out from. Be interesting to see if McCall will keep him in the fold as he would thrive in my opinion with the crosses McCall teams normally like to play.

 

I'm up on the hill in the new estate opposite the Dog & Gun so no danger of me getting flooded luckily. The pitch outside the Stansfield Arms must be 2 foot under.

I just think that there is a bit of a divide in the attitudes of some fans. The season tickets are killing us. Loads of fair weathers who aren't bothered as long as they can kill a few hours on a Saturday afternoon. We missed a big opportunity to up them after the playoff final in my opinion. I feel that most fans are happy to just keep going whilst it's cheap and are not bothered what direction we go in. We are reaping what we sow off the pitch at the moment as the prices don't allow us to cover both aspects of the club on and off the pitch. This Bradford is a poor city malarkey is tosh.. £230.00 for £10.00 a game seems fair and affordable in my opinion. Need to meet in the middle somewhere as cheap tickets provide a cheap service and experience which we are getting with the state of the stadium and the pitch. It's probably going to get thrown back you can always make donations etc.... What's the point if 50 people do it but the rest don't.

 

That debate has been done to death,I don't know the average price for this division but lets say £250 accepting your comment that fans can afford to miss games how many would pay £250 and whatever the club charge for youths, student's, OAPs, and kids, we've had guesses what the uptake would be, certainly if we were still in league two IMO 11,000 max, then you have to take into consideration the drinks, food, programs, merchandise would suffer,14,000 at £149 = £2,086,000, 11,000 at £250 = £2750000, take away the drop in the above not sure it would make a big difference. I was thinking more of way fans could do to encourage our owner to spend more and I honestly can't come up with an answer.
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You wouldn't suddenly start charging £250 in L2 though, because as you say the sales will quite rightfully drop off. So what you do, is you have a plan, a long term plan, and communicate it to the fans. Tell them, whilst we're at the bottom and very start of this plan, how much ST prices will rise should we gain promotion to L1, Championship etc. And why exactly the prices will rise. Communicate clearly and honestly as to why the additional cost is justified and what the money will be spent on, for example, investments in scouting, analysis, pitch work, player budget, new training facility etc.

Give something for the fans to genuinely buy into and I think you'd genuinely be surprised how many people will be willing to part with that extra £100 or so. It'd be a proper marketing project, rather than the cringey and quite frankly untrue comment of being "ambitious" in this campaign.

But, as others have stated, something like this is sadly pie in the sky with the current set up. We have a manager who 99% of us can buy into, but sadly we have an owner who is unwilling to make investments to take us forward and a CEO who's only job is to keep costs down. And no footballing executive to bridge the gap between the pitch and the boardroom.

It will take a clear out starting with Rupp and Rhodes to achieve anything long term other than L1 consolidation at best.

 

Tranmere haven’t scored in the last six games, not good Dave

 

season tickets need to back to a tiered pricing structure much like they used to be.. £150 for the worst views, progression to £250 for the best views (halfway line, centre of goal). cheap tickets there as an option for those that want cheaper tickets and if you want a better view then it's going to cost more.

 

Excellent post. The majority of fans want progression, and they want a plan to buy into. Giving notice of price is absolutely the way to go.

 

These are league two season ticket prices in season 2017/18 if we are not increasing next season which we aren't as we have already started selling for next season when would be appropriate to start increasing ticket prices, you say It will take a clear out starting with Rupp and Rhodes to achieve anything long term other than L1 consolidation at best, I honestly can't see that happening soon, certainly not if Rupp is consistent in asking the figure banned about on here of £10m to purchase his club.
You say "and a CEO who's only job is to keep costs down" as CEO and an employee of Bradford City I wouldn't think that was an unreasonable request from the owner, he's had his fingers burnt once by his co-partner, I'd want to know where every penny has been spent, wouldn't you in the circumstances.
"So what you do, is you have a plan, a long term plan, and communicate it to the fans" you know as well as I we have hear several of these long/short term plans in the past, in fact I believe Rack & Ruin made one not long after they bought the club, would fans take what they are saying as a genuine plan going forward or a statement to appease the fans.
In the mean time what can fans do to make Rupp aware the club needs extra financial backing to go forward, that was my original question.

 

That would be one way, I'm not sure all fans would get their preferred seating doing that though, nor am I convinced it would generate a decent amount over what the club are now getting and that is the basis for the question I was asking.

 

Dropping your prices is always a sign of desperation. No business ever drops its prices unless its product isn't selling. Its nothing to do with 'football for all', its a last ditch attempt to get bodies in the building. Short term its worked, but the club can't put the prices back up in the long term because the whole ethos is now cheap football for all.

 

Yes I have noticed that they have totally different management styles, which was the point I was making.
That is something that the CEO/Director/Owner should be doing, especially in our scenario where JR is employed to run the club by the owner.
I can't comment on why other clubs have Directors of football, I guess that in the premier League they are so awash with money that it's a luxury they can afford. But I am only guessing so it doesn't mean anything.
Ryan Sparks was hired for the PR side of things wasn't he, which we all know is something that JR is unable or unwilling to do. Again this is something that JR should be doing, maybe not the creation of the material as that is a skill in itself but he should be the public face of the club.

 

Hardly dropping their prices are they last season £150 against this coming season £149, I've given a break down of my opinion of what could happen if the club do raise ticket prices https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/expectations-of-mccall-this-season.3636/page-9#post-323852 but the original point that I questioned Fordy was with out more investment from Rupp how can us fans force him to dig deeper.

 

Cheap prices are brilliant and right for our club and it’s location.all this rubbish is brought about because we are failing on the field but twice we have been close to the championship with affordable football and prices should stay low until we actually achieve it. Affordable has lots of benefits better atmosphere more money from franchise and catering more money from sponsorship and it’s sets us out from the crowd.

 

Bronco,it is £150 for next season, i dont know where you have got this idea that it is £149.

 

Dont know thanks for pointing it out.

 

I don't always agree with your posts Park but I do on this.

How many people on here have commented on the lack of numbers, the lack of atmosphere inside VP this season and last? Lack of away numbers compared to other seasons. It is down to lack of excitement on the field and can you imagine if we didn't have 12/13k season ticket holders how empty it would be then!! People weren't knocking the season ticket prices when we had nearly 20k against Sheff Utd vying for promotion. Like you say we have nearly been in the Championship through 'affordable' football so why can't it happen again?

I do agree with other posters about a long term plan, we don't seem to have one at all. We have not articulated a plan for a long time. I mean a 'plan' not just sound bites that we aim to be in the Championship in 5 years. Set out a strategy, we aim to play this style, we aim to redevelop the ground, we aim to buy it back, we aim to create our own training base, we aim to invest in our youth set up etc...

 

Season tickets 150 quid? Sod 'em. I was ok at 149 but 150 is taking the p*ss.

 

As @Dennis has mentioned earlier -- the Swansea example -- you can do without one, though it helps then to have an owner who is clued in and willing to take on that role. The owner can decide on playing style, hire a suitable manager, provide the budget, and let him get on with it. But if your owner isn't so capable, or interested, or if your football club is just one small element of your overall business holdings, then perhaps you really do need such a character.

Think of North American sports franchises -- my local baseball team are owned by Rogers Communications -- cell phones & networks etc. Their board hires a President for the Jays, who then hires a General Manager; they report to the Rogers people, but otherwise run the baseball side of things. The GM does the hiring and firing of managers, and oversees the scouting network, and gets the players, and generally remains in post unless he/the team have been so poor that the people above him decide more than just a managerial change is needed. (This is a grossly simplified version of the organisational structure; in general sports franchises here each have enough staff to populate a small village...)

With so many Premier League teams now being just units in their owners' overall businesses, moving to a General Manager aka Director of Football set-up makes sense. Of course, they have the money to afford it. Whether we could is another question. Rhodes would work as club President, but you do need a specialist to be the GM/DoF.

The continuity would be nice. Given how short managerial tenures can be nowadays, the old way of a manager bringing in his own players tends to leave rather a mess -- as we know from City's squads over the past few seasons.

As so many posters have said, in this thread and elsewhere, we need plans both long-range and short-range, and capable people to implement them.

RCB