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What are Rupp's Plans for City?

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Fordy117, Nov 16, 2019.

  1. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!
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    Only because we've had negative owners that don't want to build an infrastructure for the club.

    Bradford City a club for the boys!!

    Fans need to wake up to this and demand more.. demand better!
     
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  2. JonButterfield

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    If you ignore his contract situation, he's probably worth 500k.

    He's not young enough to command a million, and he cannot play against Championship defenders.

    It hurts his value that he's scoring while on loan, rather than at his parent club, who don't need him.
     
  3. wetherbywhaler

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    Just got up here in Spain, amazed how many people apart from you have misread my post. I said £10m to buy the club AND take it forward to L1. That is my estimate and mine only. If Stefan were to sell I don't know his thinking on value, why would I but I guess he would want to break even at worst. On top of that would be professional fees and the like. After the sale there is then the question of recruitment/ restructure of playing staff and if you want to ensure promotion then be stable in L1 that is my guesstimate.
    As an aside my local team here, Malaga were in Europe 3 years ago, now fourth bottom of the second division and facing liquidation or expulsion through overspend. Careful what you wish for.
     
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    This in a nutshell. Its been done to death but Richmond delivered exactly what he said he would, there would have been no legends reunion the other week without what he did. He also knew when he started his tenure it would take not just a lot of investment in terms of infrastructure of ground and facilities but would also take someone who was prepared to gamble a series of gambles that in the end saw him go all in and get beat on the flop.
    History will show Richmond blew it at the end but was also the first person ever to truly try and push this club out of the lower league doldrums, his innovation and desire should not be forgotten when looking back.
     
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    Regarding the Malaga scenario and relating to us, would you have forgone the promotions from league 1 to the premiership and the subsequent seasons in the premiership if, in hindsight, we had known that the outcome was admin after admin?
     
  6. wetherbywhaler

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    No I wouldn't because no body saw the Admins coming and hindsight is always a bit pointless in my book, foresight and planning for what ifs are more my scene. I contributed to that philosophy in my business career and it largely worked. I know football can be and usually is different but only due to people running it throwing sound practice out the window when they see a football pitch. Our last Chairman being a good example together with Geoffrey and his famous madness period.
     
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  7. Fordy117

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    Bradford City have gone from the PL to div 2.

    When Lawn & Rhodes sold the club to Edin & Mr Rupp I think Lawn said one of the reasons why they sold to them was because they could take the club forward! Well the facts are we have gone BACKWARDS!

    Now, not one person is suggesting we go out there and but a load of top players but Bradford City as a business is just TICKING!

    We own nothing!

    Other clubs are investing in training grounds, new grounds etc. That's what you do if you're wanting to take a club forward. You know this with your properties - it's the same thing!

    So what's the point in Mr Rupp if we are just going to try to run a Rhodes break even balance sheet? Please tell me what Mr Rupp is offering?

    See when you tick over as a business you are always at the hand of the owner. It's always yes sir, please sir.. we're scared if you leave sir!

    Now, I am not saying I want him to leave but what I am saying is he needs to start offering more to this club and take it forward. Find investment, build infrastructure. Not just let us tick over.
     
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    As I said earlier Fordy, if you know anyone with the sort of money I estimated then step forward. In Stefans case he kept us afloat last season and we have a top budget this. There are others in or heading for trouble, we are not, we are pretty stable. Take that for now unless you're going to sell your Merc but I have one as well so between us we could pay travel expenses to Plymouth.
     
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    As you say, football is a completely different business and one where emotion plays a bigger part than in any other business. Richmond gambled and failed at the end but up until that point he couldn't do no wrong. The club had achieved what he set out to do and had the new facilities that the club still takes advantage of to this day.

    The club suffered as a result but i personally would take a ride on the Richmond roller coaster any day than have been a lower league dweller through the ages, i'll remember those days as long as i live whereas most of the years down the bottom don't warrant much of a thought.
     
  10. Fordy117

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    Love you Rodger

    I understand we're not heading into trouble but we're not moving forward in anyway.

    Bradford City as a business needs to move forward. While yes some are struggling others like Luton are overtaking us.

    Serious discussions need to be had about the buying a training ground.. do we build our own ground. Seek new investment!

    We're a club going nowhere. I see so many holes in where this club can make vasts amounts of money but we just use the party line of"we should be lucky" and then people call me negative!

    Tick, tick, Bradford City just tick.. well hope we recall Doyle because we need to start taking some risks and not being safe all the time.

    Fans are not happy with the lack of ambition of the club, the poor food & drinks at the ground, the inflated prices of food and drinks, the disgraceful toilets - all because we own no assets and just tick!

    I'll never forget Mr Rupp stood on the pitch saying he will get us to the PL.. you remember that? Well how is that going to happen running a break even Mr Rhodes balance sheet with no assets?
     
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    Go Fordy. Finally you raise some very good points. But the issue still remains that Rupp is unlikely to invest further and we have no one else willing to invest the millions needed
     
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  12. Fordy117

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    We don't know if others are not interested.

    And if Mr Rupp isn't willing to invest more then questions need to be asked of him and his credibility.

    He's a nice bloke but what's the point in owning the club if he doesn't want to take it forward?
     
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  13. Bronco

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    With your hindsight we could all post the same crap, we took a risk as our budget was stretched we were given to believe, if we kept Doyle we could not improve the area we thought was poor midfield, yes he's scoring for Swindon that was always the risk of loaning him out to a fellow league two club his past history suggest that at the likes of Oldham and Chesterfield.
    If he'd continued in the same vain as his previous time at Valley Parade no one would be batting an eyelid yes hindsight is a wonderful thing.
    I wouldn't want to risk what we have by bringing Doyle back and possibly having to let some of our loans who have helped get us into 3rd place with 2 games in hand leave to accommodate Doyle and HOPE he continues with his fabulous scoring record it's far from guaranteed.
    You keep repeating your soundbites without any foundation, tick tick, we want better, Stefan needs to up his game, fans are happy with mediocrity, we should be a Championship side yada yada yada, you have to earn things in life you being a perfect example a wealthy man who owns a Merc should recognise that, you only need one bad decision and as we know with Rahic that can take years to recover.
     
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    In fairness, he only kept us afloat because he allowed a maniac to be let loose in almost destroying the club. It was HIS accountability.

    There are parameters of common sense and financial prudence that we, and all clubs, should operate within. But I think it's fair to ask - what's his plan for investing in the club to the extent needed, to take it forward. If he cant or wont front the level of investment needed that you've aluded to - why buy the club in the first place? I dont think he had any idea what he was getting into.

    The club does need some serious investment to move back towards the championship. Some should come from the owner, some should come through good commercial practices to bring extra money into the club and some should come from the fans. The concern over how price sensitive fans are, has been overstated in my opinion. The scars of admin lingered for a long time and drive much of our thinking. But Times change and we need to change with them.
     
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  15. Bronco

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    Top post @Faithful Bantam@Faithful Bantam, I'm with you how could a successful business man be conned by the likes of Rahic and because of his ignorance with regards football not get involved as to why basically his club was performing so badly last season that it had to take Bradford City fans to make him aware of the situation at Valley Parade.
     
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    Is Bradford City actually making a profit? I’m just wondering what the buyer gets for 10 million quid and what will his ROI be? Seems a high asking price. How much did Rupp buy for and how much has he invested? Just trying to work out his break even selling point. If he wants away, then he’d be wise to set a price that covers his total investment and that is all.
     
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  17. Fordy117

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    Disagree.

    Football is a loss making business unless you do it right like Liverpool and City etc

    You've make sure you invest in youth(Edin wasn't far off in his master plan), invest in assets and build the club up commercially. Don't be scared of rivals in areas like Leeds and Town etc, be positive and highlight you're bigger or act bigger.

    Bradford City acts cheap, negative and like a CHARITY hence why it's where it is and gets nowhere!

    You can't expect to get your money back.. that's madness. You have to take the hit and move on if you're not a serious player. Serious players do what I have said above and that generates money.
     
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    Fordy, are you a descendant of Vivian Nicholson? :)
     
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    Your showing your age Tennesse B :p
     
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