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Gary Bowyer - when do we judge?

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Fordy117, Aug 3, 2019.

  1. marshy77

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    Haha sorry I meant Preston in the cup game!!
     
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  2. Park bantam

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    Is he injured
     
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    When is he not
     
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    Not that I know of, training Friday no problem and although brought on late in the game I think Bowyer wanted 4-3-3 so it was at the expence of Scannell on ths bench.
     
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    I've read a whole load of discussions since Saturday. Very varied indeed.

    I can be one melancholic and miserable so and so. I could have stood up at the end and joined the boo boys. I could have jeered and flung my arms in disapproval.

    I could have come on these boards and cried fowl. ( I did question the set pieces, which genuinely frustrated me but ain't that down to the player?) I could have listed the obvious shortcomings that was painfully clear for all to see.

    I have however tried to take a step back and realise it is just one game. Shortcomings of our squad will be exposed at times but on the flip side, this squad will expose the shortcomings of opposition too.

    @Ricc@Ricc posted superbly and for one I agree. Read it here folks.... https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/opening-home-game-vs-cambridge-united-aug-3rd.2810/page-22#post-242753

    I'm going use that old proverb, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". The conveyer belt of appointments and dismissals coupled with the same playing personnel, how just does this help. We are told that their is laughter in training, a good team bonding and the resume of GB has strength. Good foundations?

    This is not a knock at you @Fordy117@Fordy117 because the initial question has some debate especially if we couple in last season. But that has gone. Onwards, surely? Even I'm able to be patient and realise this ain't gonna happen overnight.

    I'm backing GB. He has my support. The constant changes are not to my liking. This is the 2019/2020 season.

    This may change, who knows? I hope not.
     
  6. Steve1970

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    I'm just happy to have a team to support.

    #pleaseprayforburyfc
     
  7. 1975citygent

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    Yes his win ratio isn't that good but it needs to taken into account that it is during a period of time when he is bringing in his own players while trying to root out players he doesn't want, some of which have decent contracts and are hard to shift.
    i don't think he is making excuses to buy time, he is just being honest. I think the club would like to get promoted this season but accept it may take two attempts. That may not sit well with a lot of supporters (me included) but I think that is now they see it.
    If we can settle down, get some form and go on a good fun Bowyer will definitely go for it but knows he is probably 2/3 key players short of where we need to be.
     
  8. BoingBoing

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    I agree with the vast majority of this. Not sure why you had to end it with the last line though. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree, his point is just as valid as yours, regardless of whether it’s the 1st or 10th game of the season.

    As I said, I agree with the majority of your comments. But, I do disagree with your claim that this squad doesn’t lack pace or width. Even those players you mentioned, PO’C, McCartan, Ishmael & Akpan add no pace and only one will add width (and he’s more natural on the same flank as Scannell). We do need pace and we do need more width options.

    My concern is that he has built this squad primarily to play 4-3-3. That’s the real reason he gave new contracts to the likes of Devine, Colville and Anderson. People are suggesting McCartan for Doyle, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Scannell play there. Bowyer rarely played him as a winger at the end of last season.

    If we are thinking “it’s only 1 game into the new season”, we’re all going to get as frustrated as Fordy in 9 games time
     
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    I didn't include them in the width or pace comment. I said that they were still to come back into the squad.

    Width and pace I'd include Gibson, Scannell, Ismail, Wood, Patrick and although it's not looking good Robinson is still our player. Whether you agree and disagree with the quality of these players they all bring width and pace. We have the options but didn't play that way on Saturday, it's not to say that on Saturday or the following game we'll change again. If he is thinking of Scannell for Doyle then again it's another option.

    As for my last sentance it was more a point that fans complaining after 1 game imo is crazy.
     
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  10. Fordy117

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    We're not set up to play 4-3-3 that's the problem mate. People just think you put 3 forwards together and that's that in a 4-3-3.

    No you need your full backs to have pace to get up and down. Be able to cross a decent ball.
    Keeper needs to be quick at releasing the ball
    Need a CB that has the ability to be able to run with the ball.
    A holding midfielder that can turn on the ball be able to cover CB's and no when to push forward.
    Need pace in the forward 3.
    The AM or centre of the 3 needs to be a work horse. Be able to track back, have a good range of passing and shooting.

    Now, I think we're a slow team and miss many of the above.

    If people are counting on McCartan well he couldn't get in the Lincoln team and is just sh&te. It's wishful thinking he's good. He's not!

    Playing DVD isn't the answer at all. Sorry, but we need to go back into the transfer market and more importantly ship out the likes of McCartan.
     
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  11. Fordy117

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    Bowyer hasn't been here for 1 game!

    No one is complaining about 1 bloody game.
     
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  12. How

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    You are judging the current squad on one game though.
     
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    Why is it such a concern we will play 4-3-3?
     
  14. marshy77

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    He made 38 appearances and scored 7 goals. Not bad for bit part player with the side that won the league
     
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    I'm judging the manager, tactics, in game management and poor contract offers.

    The squad I think isn't strong enough but the window is still open.
     
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    They don't want him back though and he was mainly on the bench because he's pants.
     
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    Because our players A- haven’t the intelligence to play it properly and B- simply aren’t good enough.

    Sticking the likes of Doyle behind a front 2. Having a right-back on the left and wondering why he never got forward. Having 3 midfielders and watch them barely move, let alone pass and move.

    The service to Vaughan and Donaldson was poor and only reconfirmed what I saw with that formation in pre-season

    We disagree. Let’s leave it there
     
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    You do know they've been promoted don't you? They will obviously want a better standard of player for a higher division.
     
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    It’s a new system to these players playing together, you cannot write it off after a couple of friendlies, where the squad is changed at half time anyway.

    In our one league game, the fundamentals were right. We keep the ball and gave up very little chances. We need to tweak it and get some urgency in our play at times but to throw it all in the bin because of one 90 minutes is panic station central.

    Drop Doyle, bring in Scannell. Play on the right with room to join Vaughan and Donaldson when we attack but primarily be out wide for the ball and to run at them.

    Left hand side play Donaldson there like Patrick played against Liverpool and make sure he supports Vaughan as much as possible with longridge attacking behind and Gibson moving over there if and when required.

    Then push Palmer a little further forward and get him on the ball with akpan or Anderson in front of our defence to win ball back and pass it quickly. Nothing fancy.

    Few tweaks and imo it will work.

    I honestly think Bowyer will change it away from home anyway and we will see something similar to the above against Grimsby.

    Baring in mind that is all done without a new signing. In case we don’t get who we want. Then you’ve got Ismail, Doyle, McCarten as options going forward off of bench
     
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  20. Fordy117

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    You know he was a league 1 player when he signed for them on loan last season?
     
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