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Womens World Cup

Discussion in 'General Football' started by BSABantam74, Jun 7, 2019.

  1. Faithful Bantam

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    The Cameroon reaction to the VAR incidents is the funniest thing I've ever seen on a football pitch.
     
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    Yes they made themselves look very silly, ref needed to take control you can't just stop playing because you feel aggrieved
     
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    What happened?

    The Scottish ladies took their bad VAR luck very well twice the other night. The Argentinians too at the end. The ref didn't add on the time used for the lengthy VAR decision and both teams went out when either could have gone through with a win.
     
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    Our second goal was given offside then correctly overruled by VAR. They went a bit mad and basically stopped playing for about 5 minutes. No idea why as was correct decision she was clearly onside.

    Then they scored early second half and that was disallowed for offside by VAR. That one was closer but def offside. So they went a bit mad again.

    Very unprofessional.
     
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  5. Get Rid Of It

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    The football game was a poor second to VAR and poor discipline from Cameroon today,

    the tackle on Houghton would be a red in the premier league, not sure what they see sometimes.
     
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  6. Bantamshell

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    Agreed horrible foul on Steph, lucky not to be injured. What a horrible team
     
  7. Storck

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    Think she only gave a yellow as was scared she would be attacked if she gave a red
     
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  8. Faithful Bantam

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    This. It was a shambolic and completely unprofessional. Credit to our ladies for keeping their cool.
     
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    Agree Cameroon's conduct throughout was appalling and that's where a decent ref need to get a grip of the game. So many bad decisions but allowing them to basically have five minute sulk and crying break after our second was ridiculous.

    Prob should've had 2 red cards and a penalty too. Agree the officials wimped out of some decisions for fear of their behaviour escalating further.

    Poor officiating like that means the game loses credibility. Hats off to our girls for rising above it, they deserved better
     
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    Why are only women officiating at the tournament? On more than one level, that makes no sense to me.
     
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  11. Bronco

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    Very weak was the referee on Sunday, but having watch nearly all the England games the possession game will cost them against better opposition IMO.
    Several times they have caused themselves problems trying to keep possession around their own box, and going forward they look for that killer ball instead of having the faith in their own ability.
     
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  12. SimonW

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    What on earth do you mean 'it gives them opportunity to participate in a game that not long they didn’t really have the opportunity'? Women's football isn't something new, it's been something that has been a thing in England since the late 1800's and certainly a fully organised thing since the 70's with the FA making it a formal part of its setup since 1993. So it's not this suddenly new thing.

    It's actually one of the things that annoys me about the women's football right now. This push to make it a thing has lost it its identity and heritage. Man City for example who was an insignificant team in the lower levels were able to jump multiple levels just because their owner basically bought them a place in the WSL at the expense of teams who had spent decades raising the stature of women's football. And what we then see is because you have these money bag owners who support it and the FA thinking money is a shortcut it's getting more and more expensive to run a women's team without really increasing the money in the game. While revenues are on the rise its nowhere near the rate that the cost are rising with wage caps going up and the minimum spend requirements also rising. We saw this season Yeovil who was a well-run women's team that was financially responsible in the division below have to throw that out of the window as not only did they have to go pro but the minimum spends on wages increased by a ridiculous amount. As such the team they were able to put together managed to pick up just 7 points all season and in the process, the club went bankrupt and got a 10 point penalty

    The FA by bowing to pressure failed to do their research into women's sports as there is a perfect example of how not to do it. It's 22 years since the NBA decided to bring women's Basketball into the fold and they did the same thing of thinking 'If we throw money at it we can take a short cut to success'. There have been 17 franchises in the WNBA, 5 went bankrupt and it's was only like 2014 where any of the teams made a profit and weren't being propped up by the NBA to the tune of several million to each team. Even now only 6 of the 12 active teams break even on paper (and some of those are still making cash losses). Money isn't a shortcut if it was China and the US would be the major leagues in men's football and not just retirement homes for top player.

    And the thing is with the WNBA is they got something right which in women's football they won't even think about because it goes against the narrative of 'Women's football is equal to mens' and that's they adjusted the rules to fit women. They use smaller balls and various aspects of the court are made smaller so physicality becomes less of an issue. I mean just watch one of the world cup matches and it's like watching an u12's team play on a full-size pitch, it just eats them up and the full size of the pitch isn't used in an effective manner. If they aren't using the full pitch why use a men's regulation pitch, make it smaller, make the goals smaller and use a smaller. Then you have a game which removes some of the physicality limitations and focuses on the technique which would make women's football be a much better product than it is and have its own style. You can just see at youth level how girls fall off in their teens. In my School team in the lat 80's, early 90's we had a girl on our team. Technically she was better than most of the boys, certainly was better than me but as we entered our teens and puberty kicked in while we also moved up in both pitch sizes and ball sizes she fell so far behind.

    So what we end up with due to this PC push to make women's football a thing overnight is we have a rule set designed for men which prevent women's football being an engaging product and which financially is a total mess and with the call for the wage gap between men and women to be significantly narrowed its just going to get worse. It needed to be grown more organically so these clubs with heritage weren't driven out by rising costs and clubs shouldn't have been a shortcut so at the very least even if they had financial backing they were having to build pedigree to come through the levels. And the rules should have been adapted to make it a more engaging package that stands out from men's football rather than just be compared to men's football all the time. It's never going to get out of the men's shadow now as you can't put the cork back in the bottle so its always going to need the mens game to prop it up and with the narrative that they decided to push means they can't now go back on it without getting negative press even though it would improve the game. And that narrative that's been pushed is always going to keep many of the potential fans away from the game
     
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    What on earth do i mean? Funny, i don’t recall girls really getting any opportunity to play football when i was at school in north yorkshire, and i am 40. I certainly don’t remember there being mixed teams or anything like that either. Even in a relatively remote part of the uk, we have some girl’s teams now from primary level and upwards, as well as mixed classes at different ages. This is definitely different, my wife who is from ft william said there was absolutely no provision for girls football at school, even going so far to say it was discouraged. She is younger than me. So forgive me if i fundamentally disagree, based on my experience. My point is about accessibility for girls, at a school level. I have a daughter, and am glad she can play football if she likes and that it is now the norm, rather than the exception. In my world, this is called progress.

    Also I don’t recall there being numbers of female football pundits, female match officials (in the mens game) etc etc that there are now. As for your points on finance, are you really sure that no men’s team have bought success and jumped the pyramid? Do you think football is really sustainable with the ridiculous sum of money at play and the ever widening gap between the top sides and the rest? Are teams really living within their means, look at bolton! To be honest, i’m not sure why you are letting it bother you so much. It’s not affecting your premier league team is it?

    So what if it’s ‘PC’, as i said above, if it gives my daughter more choices, i couldn’t care less if a bit of political correctness causes you some annoyance, fact is, we have had more opportunities in many things than women and girls, i’m glad they are getting some recognition. The mens side get plenty of recognition and exposure, i’m sure most can just for a short time, watch it for what it is and wish the women's national side all the best.
     
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    Catmuck. The post that you thanked Stork for, the one explaining what a nignog (locally) was, that was from a T&A article from June 2018, not 40/50 years ago! The word was nationally newspaper acceptable 24 months ago.........

    I didn't attach any racial connotations to it, it just has more comedic affect than "Bradford Sunday Alliance", yer nig nog.
     
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    The T&A article reproduced an archived story about the closure of the club several decades ago. It reference a period in history when it was (locally, but not in most parts of the UK) considered ok to use the expression nig nog because of its regional colloquial meaning. If you click on the link about the derivation of the phrase it actually acknowledges the modern sensitivity about using the phrase, so the article is not suggesting that it is acceptable now.

    In most of the UK the phrase nig nog has only ever had one meaning - a racial slur. I'll wager that is also true for virtually all Bradfordians under the age of 40, most of whom will never have heard of the club or the old local usage of the phrase, as I hadn't, despite living here since 1980.

    I accept that you didn't attach any racial connotation. Where we differ is that you think it's ok, for purely comedic effect, to dredge up an analogy from half a century ago that, in most people's minds nowadays, is a racial insult. Whereas I think it's unnecessary, thoughtless and insensitive, regardless of the original local use of the phrase, to do that, now that the phrase is no longer used in its old local manner.

    We won't agree on this. Which is why I suggested above that we agree to differ.
     
  16. Tony Wilkinson

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    Look out, thought police about.....!!
     
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    The usual Colonel Blimp reaction. Being considerate about not using outdated language is dismissed as thought police. Yawn.
     
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    As a kid I played like hundreds of other kids in the Nig Nog football league and collected Golliwog stickers to get a free badge, All very innocent, How times have changed, Probably for the better with the multi cultural country we have become where for racial peace and harmony we have changed some of our past culture so as not to abuse others and quite right that tolerance of all cultures should be respected even our past which in most cases was innocent and had no racial intent as mass immigration had not yet taken place
     
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  19. Tony Wilkinson

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    Sorry, didn't see any sell by dates on the tin,how can a language become 'outdated'....?
     
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    You're being deliberately obtuse. Use of language changes all the time. No one uses 'forsooth' or 'verily' in common speech nowadays, but they once did.

    People with learning disabilities used to be officially medically categorised as cretins, idiots, imbeciles or mongoloids, but not now. No one (other than bigots and religious extremists) calls gay people queers, benders or shirtlifters these days. No one (apart from unrepentant racists) calls Asians Wogs or black people niggers any more.

    The term nig nog was perfectly innocent when the club started in the 1930s in the north east. By the time the Bradford version closed in 1978 it had acquired racial connotations throughout the country, as a derivation of nigger, which is now the only meaning that 95% of the country would recognise. So of course it's outdated.
     
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