Players taking the knee

Sorry Storck, I don't get what you mean by that.

The current round of kneeling at sporting events definitely grew from the George Floyd/Colin Kaepernick/BLM symbolism.

If there's an earlier historical context to it I wasn't aware.

 

Colin Karpernick was before BLM and George Flloyd but originally it dates back to the 60s.

so if you are saying Colin Karpernick then it didn’t start with BLM.

 

So just to confirm, you were offended by the word, lemon? In my opinion lemon is a term of endearment.

 

He said he was wondering why the knee wasn't taken earlier. Is stating that racism was much more acceptable in the 60s and 70s wrong?

 

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When were people kneeling in protest in the 60s?

I don't think so. Black Lives Matter was formed in 2014, when Kaepernick starting kneeling at games they used that as a symbol of protest, when what happened with Floyd occurred it brought on further significance.

 

Another version of the old "If you're not with me you're against me" line: "if you're not with me, you're a (insert insulting remark here)." As a debating technique that has become all too common, but it is not really conducive to further discussion. Your opponent becomes an *-ist (or *-phobe, to use the latest buzzword) and of course such people are not to be taken seriously, are they?

Though an increasing number of people do seem to see the world in such simple, black and white (as it were), terms, it nonetheless remains an infinite range of shades of grey. It is possible to agree with a principle, yet disagree with how that is expressed. In this case, the principle -- that people should not be unjustly killed by the police -- is fine, but one can question the how. The two most obvious points have already been mentioned by others above: Is a sporting event a suitable place for such declarations? What about the connexions with the BLM movement, which has some truly nasty elements?

If you are going to allow sportspeople to make political (for want of a better term) statements on the field, then you're going to have to allow the spectators to offer their judgements on said statements. Some will feel strongly enough to applaud, others -- perhaps for the reasons I've just mentioned -- to boo. Most will fall between those extremes -- those shades of grey again -- and remain silent. All in all, I think the gesture is divisive and the venue inappropriate; it should have stopped, or been stopped, long ago.

RCB

 

That wasnt what my reply was to. The only real fact on here is that people's posts on here are merely opinions and as such are not right and wrong. I didn't agree with Tony yesterday but that doesn't mean I don't respect his right to have that opinion. Seems to be the fashion these days on social media that you have take sides and anything against is shot down with terms like Racism or Nazi. Shame because underneath the slurs there is a good debate to be had.

 

According to my daughter I will never understand blm or race issues because I am a white, privileged middle class tory.

 

Footballers are all sheep.
Wearing earbuds getting off the coach and walking into the stadium.
Silly religious gestures walking onto the pitch, 90% prob never been in a religious building.
They just copy whatever filters down from the premiership.
If the premiership players hadn't taken the knee do the think our players would be?

 

Spat my tea out reading that.

 

I have given a alternative which IMO would work better

 

Ah well, we were all teenagers once, and knew it all. Funny how much more ignorant we become as we age... But just wait a couple of decades (revenge is best served cold); your grandkids will look at Mum in exasperation: You're so old-fashioned! We don't say/think/do that anymore! And so on...

I once read somewhere that one of Joe Strummer's daughters took up knitting, learnt from her grandmother, because how else can you rebel when your father was one of the great rebels?

RCB

 

Sorry

 

So you truly believe that a significant proportion of those booing players taking the knee are taking a stance against the means by which, and venue at which, the protest against unlawful killings is being taken?

Lol.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig (of an argument).

If you are trying to convince me that most of those booing are doing so based on a well rationalised and logically driven opposition to the means of protest, whilst supporting it's target aim - then you're delusional.

 

They have said they are not doing it in line with BLM. Its just a stand against racism.

 

I dont know.

Its you who has an issue with people getting down on one knee. Its just a knee.

 

So you don't know what my inherent bias is even though it was you that used those very words. I don't mind debating with people but you're gonna have to make an effort.

 

Why are people still saying taking the knee is politics on the football pitch. WRONG. Its simply making a statement against racism.

Such a shame when some people choose to twist its meaning and pair it to blm. I certainly dont see it that way based on what I've taken the time to read.

Some people here have even had political statements on their bantamstalk avatar if im not mistaken, but then go on about political statements having no place in football!

Politics and racists have won here if BLM have the full Monopoly on going on bended knee now.

Here is a quote -

Gareth Southgate said the England team's actions were not in support of the Black Lives Matter organisation. He said: "We have got a situation where some people seem to think it is a political stand that they don't agree with. That is not the reason the players are doing it. We are supporting each other."

 

OK Boris.

 

If the players started doing the Roman Salute before the match....maybe even after have "Nazi" replacing their name for a few weeks and little swastika badges on their kits....would it matter how many times they told us it wasn't relating to fascism?

Taking a knee is a BLM symbol. Any amount of reading will bring up multiple sources to say that. When you take a well known symbol, initially link it to the common factor but then try to say it has no relationship it can't be a surprise that some people still see it as linked. As I've said, a different gesture with no actual link to the organisation would completely take that element of the argument away.