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T&S..... sacked

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Rcbantam, Apr 10, 2021.

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Should T & S leave now

  1. yes for sure

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    59.3%
  2. no give them chance to work next season

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  3. dont know

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    15.3%
  1. Ulysses S Grant

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    How many do they need. They brought nine in January and didn't play most of them.
     
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  2. Park bantam

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    But he is long ball don’t you you will will have some on here chocking on their cocoa
     
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  3. Bantamtom

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    I do hope your right, but as a new CEO is 2 contract extensions quicking followed by 2 sackings going to look good on him?
     
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    Fans just want some logic and ambition. Sticking with the same tactics even if a bit dull is fine if getting results but when results dry up there needs be some changes, some dynamism, some invention.
    A like for like sub like clock work on 72mins when losing or not winning games is not this
     
  5. Inspector

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    If I remember rightly didn’t Parky want all available funds to be spent on the first team. How would that pan out now with the head of recruitment in the door , increased back room staff and analysts to come? He may have done well short term but there was nothing coming through and that’s one of the reasons we’ve had to recruit double digit players every season since he left.
     
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  6. Mike Hunt

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    The January window was good for the shit that was moved on, incoming was less impressive.
     
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    Nick Allenby & Lee Butler are still at Sunderland according to their website so it looks like only Parky & Parkin left.
     
  8. Kevin1954

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    If he does NOTHING and the failings continue he would be classed as weak and indecisive .

    It’s the same in any management role tbh.
     
  9. Kevin1954

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    :cool::cool:
     
  10. bantam65

    bantam65 Important Player
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    Oh...Hi Ryan...:)
     
  11. Silverbantam

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    Pity you’re not faithful to the new managers!
     
  12. Silverbantam

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    The reason they had to play 4-2-3-1 is because the squad is so poor and the back four needed extra protection. Hopefully with an improved squad they can play a more attacking formation next season.
     
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  13. Tight1-0Victory

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    That's pretty obviously incorrect.

    Why would you play 4-2-3-1 with three proper midfielders in your squad and no back up?

    They played it because it was their preferred formation and it's a modern philosophy that fans have been bitching about lacking for the past decade or so.

    The push back came when we had two in form strikers and couldn't accommodate them both, which in turn led to super-repetitive and predictable substitutions and tactics.
     
  14. Inspector

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    Worryingly for me there’s a distinct lack of variation and innovation at set pieces, added to a very poor conversion rate. For two young coaches I’d have expected something different, something new, but they haven’t. Even when going away from 4-2-3-1, in a supposedly more attacking formation, we never managed to push any side back for more than 20 minutes at the most before dropping deep, giving up possession and setting up defensively. This highlights that beyond the basics they don’t really have a clue about attacking. For all their talk about wanting to play attacking football, I’ve seen very little evidence to show they can. If we could see the bones of something and say, “oh yeah, if we have better players that would work”, but we haven’t.

    I just feel they’re not ready at the moment. They definitely have something to offer in a support role, but not as the main men. Bring someone in they can learn from and have them back when they’ve served their apprenticeship.
     
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    Its an even bigger pity that some of our fans continue to be unable to break out of a mindset of mediocrity.
     
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    Next time we win a big cup tie we should forfeit the game for even daring to do such ambitious things.
     
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    I don't have an issue with us keeping the ball and passing it around, if there is some intent with it - this means there needs to be movement which is dragging the opposition out of position and creating openings and overloads for our full backs and wide attacking players, it's perfectly possible for teams at this level to play like that, if they have the right players.

    Unfortunately this doesn't happen with us, we're static and easily contained and it usually means the ball goes backwards and is eventually just punted up and lost.
     
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    I know I’m in the minority & won’t change anyone’s mind but bloody hell I’m glad I don’t work for a lot of people on here.
    I can’t understand the complete dismissal of T&S who have come in and done exactly what was asked of them. Kept us up, got us into a safe mid table position. Overachieved massively at the start, faded badly at the end but overall did what was asked.
    We’ve had so many “big name” managers who’ve promised lots and achieved zero. One of the best CV’s out there belongs to the now Salford manager, that went well.....
    So why do people think someone with “experience” will do better than T&S??
    Every management pairing had to start somewhere. If the PE teaching Cowleys had turned up here a few years ago rather than at Lincoln all hell would have broken loose, I’m sure several posters would have threatened not to renew their season ticket whilst others would have bemoaned the clubs lack of ambition.
    So we ditch T&S and bring in Adam’s, the players we have don’t suit his style, Cooke & Watt will look bemused in midfield as the ball gets hoofed over their heads, he’d need 2-3 transfer windows to sort the team out which we wont give him because we don’t have the patience, sack him off just like Bowyer because we don't like his playing style and yet again are left with someone’s half built expensive but disjointed squad.
    Or we could try and build something from the ground up for a change.
    In T&S I saw progression, they devised a playing style that suited the squad and tightened the defence. Having Cooke, Watt, Sutton in the centre with later Rowe dropping deep swamped teams playing 4-4-2 Evans & Clarke dropped deep to protect the full backs it worked fantastically well until other teams sussed us out.
    I really believe they knew this would happen and tried to bring in players in the window who could switch it to a more conventional 4-4-2 when needed. Burrell was brought in to play off a number 9, Steven’s, Crankshaw & Vernam all brought in to play out wide, Cook as a traditional number 9. For lots of reasons it hasn’t worked BUT is work in progress. They’ve so far had one very rushed transfer window which is not enough time to build a squad. We’ve tried big name managers I can’t remember one ever working, let’s try an alternative strategy for a change and give them time!
     
  19. bantam2708

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    There's no point in sticking with the wrong manager just for the sake of continuity. They've come in, done the job they were required to do but you've got to evaluate whether or not they're capable of taking us to the next level. The only evidence we've got to judge it on is how the team performed in the playoff race. And we were abysmal. T&S have shown an unwillingness and inability to attack games and approach them in a positive manner. Sure, we need additions to the squad but to be still playing negative, defensive dross in dead rubbers shows me this is out of choice rather than necessity, so I'm not buying the argument that with better players everything is rosey.
     
  20. Fordy117

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    You are missing the point completely.

    Lincoln!! Lincoln! Ok you are highlighting how much Bradford City have fallen by using Lincoln. Bradford City are a big club in Div 2 make no question about that. The expectations are bigger than Lincolns even though they are in Div 1. So it's all about giving yourself the best chance to go up.

    T & S will not give us the best chance to go up. To stay up maybe but to go up NO!! Football really isn't a difficult game. Have good defence and amazing attack then you will win more than you lose. What is clear is that T &S play not to lose and are RUBBISH at the attacking side of the game.

    Also you are forgetting the fans! The fans want to be entertained not bored. Fans are bored under T & S already. Bored fans will not attend games and or if they do will get restless.

    The pressure of the crowd - Currently no fans at games and if T & S dish out this boring 4-2-3-1 and like for like subs it will turn nasty. You can tell they are youth coaches but this is 1st football and we need a good 1st team manager.

    Sparks has talked how big next season is and it's massive. Staying with T & S would be a joke. I would like to go out and get the manager we really want like a Lowe or something but if not Wellens or Adams is fine.

    Staying with T & S isn't the answer and it would be pointless fans even attending next season(if possible).
     
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