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Bulls to leave Odsal

Discussion in 'General Sport' started by USEDTOBEKWIKSAVE, Jul 21, 2019.

  1. Rogered Tart

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    This is the same council that had money shunted away in Icelandic banks when all that shit was going down, the same council that purchased land in the city centre for millions to be left there doing nothing. They may make out they don't have owt but they can raise it if they need to. They were quick enough to loan Omar Khan some dollars when the Bulls were going down the swanny. And think of how many hair brained schemes they've backed over the years, remember the millions they spunked on tramsperience?
     
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  2. Bronco

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    Not forgetting the Council's little venture with Headingly investing in a game of cricket, which lost money.
     
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    All of this is true. But most, if not all of these things happened before the council had its operating budget slashed in half. It is now staggering from one crisis to another. Essential child protection, mental health and adult social care services are being run on a shoestring. Many thousands have been laid off. You can argue that there was significant waste in the past but all the doable cuts have been made now - they're into the bone.
    Unless and until the funding is increased I can see no prospect of the council speculating on grand capital schemes that benefit a pretty small proportion of the 600k local residents.
     
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    The council don't necessarily have to put in loads of money. They can however be wilful partners clearing barriers. Bringing parties together, facilitating meetings. Committing to using the facilities when built for meetings, school sports. Several ways.
     
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  5. Offcomedun

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    Yes, that's certainly true. And I'm pretty sure that they would do some of those things if a viable scheme were put forward, backed by credible investors with the necessary Megabucks to fund such a scheme. As opposed to the chancers and charlatans that often seem to crawl out of the woodwork when sports funding is proposed.
    So if a truly viable scheme could be found, backed by trustworthy investors, then I'd think about supporting the idea. But nothing that has happened in the 39 years I've lived in Bradford suggests any likelihood of that happening. You can call that negativity if you like; I call it realism.
     
  6. Rogered Tart

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    Its not all about the council speculating, it works with partnerships. A scheme of this magnitude wouldn't just be a 23 day a year football stadium it would be working capital invested through public and private sector funding to create a sporting and retail development. Where i do agree is that it won't ever come to fruition, we've seen recently with the wastage of public money on city park and their wish to demolish the Odeon that in a way the council should never be allowed to speculate with tax payers money because they clearly aren't fit to do so. I do anticipate in 20 years time though the rugby team probably playing at a ramshackle Horsfall and Valley Parade in need of a big refurb.
     
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    But where would the private sector funding come from Al? I've seen no sign of any private sector investors being willing to help finance multi-million pound schemes in Bradford in recent years. Quite the opposite, in fact.
     
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    Can’t argue with that mate. Bradford as a city is dying quite literally on its arse, the inevitable conclusion of its topography and close proximity to Leeds. If i was an investor Bradford would be the last place i would look to invest in, theres simply nothing going for it in a business sense. One question comimg up in the next few years, i think its eight, is the resigning of the lease at Valley Parade. Quite a lot of thought has to go into this decision, we sign that and i can’t see me living long enough to see a new stadium built in Bradford.
     
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    How come the City is getting bigger but the centre gets ever more empty?

    Anyway.........I won't live long enough to see a modern Bulls/City stadium/complex, I doubt my kids will either. The problem for both clubs is that they have nothing of value to kickstart anything, nothing to bring to the table, two seriously underachieving clubs with no assets, how Bradfud!

    Neither can do something like say St Helens, sell real estate to fund the construction of a new stadium. I'd happily leave VP without a backward glance but I think the best we can hope for is a new Bulls stand for the MR in a council owned VP. But given both clubs recent and past history of administrations and trying to renege on deals/responsibilities, that would probably be hard sell to the tax payer and rightly so.
     
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    I don't know enough about it. But surely cutting taxes on large corporations, offering incentives etc to come to the city has to be where it all starts. I think the Bulls situation is indicative of where the whole city is going. Which is a shame because it has been happening for years and no one seems to have a solution.
     
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    the council don’t control the taxes though
     
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    I agree with a lot of what you have to say on the subject. The two main sticking points are the fact that the Bulls are not in Super League at present and City don't own Valley Parade.
    If these two things were sorted out I think bringing the Bulls to Valley Parade PERMANENTLY could be good for both parties and good for Bradford.
    Together we would have more chance of raising the money to spend on the pitch and also to make our stadium even better. For a start if the Council sorted something out with the RFL as regards the lease, they could then sell the tipping rights to Odsal Stadium before eventually selling off the land, that should raise a substantial amount of cash to start with. Even cash strapped councils can find ways to raise finance if the political will is there.
    I could see rows of seats taken out of the bottom tier of the Kop to lengthen the playing area and at the Bradford End pull down the TL Dallas Stand and build a new stand that connects the Midland Road Stand to the Main Stand. Imagine the atmosphere that would create.
    As for the wear and tare on the playing area, yes we would need to do some more work on the pitch but a couple of things to consider regarding those concerns. First of all Rugby League is mainly a summer sport these days.
    Plus rugby players these days are athletes not big lumbering guys going to scrum to scrum. Scrums with big fat guys packing down are a thing of the past. That was what used to be what damaged the pitch in the old days. Now they stand there while the srum half rolls the ball through.
    Other clubs have sorted pitch issues out to accommodate both sports. Wigan (eventually!), Huddersfield, Hull, Reading (with London Irish) and there will be others.
     
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    Good positive thinking there mate.
     
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  14. Bronco

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    I think before any of the above could be discussed wouldn't we need to get the Flamingo Land Pension Fund onboard.
    I would think with our lease running out in 8/9 years they would want us comitting to another rental agreenent.
    But as you say if there is the will things can be achieved although in this finacial climate it may not be the best time.
     
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    Rfl have only approved bulls moving out for 2020 season

    They have been put in special measures until they can show their finances for next season

    Lots of players moving on because bulls can not sign or resign players until out of special measures

    Big mess this
     
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    Such a shame a City the size of Bradford and very few can see the potencial, and those that can don't. have a f*****g clue
     
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    Interesting report in rugby league paper tonight, Caddick Construction have produced plans to build a 15k stadium on Richard Dunns. They have worked with Bradford Council and forged a relationship. Bradford Council mentioned this week in an interview when the Richard Dunns site is re-developed we will name something after him.
     
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    I think we all know that Paul Caddick owns Headingley cricket/ rugby stadium and most of the surrounding Heagingley district.

    He has made a fortune out of it but to be honest he has managed it well.

    Could be a lot worse than this deal with Caddick Construction.
     
  19. Bronco

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    If it is only going to hold 15,000 it looks like Bradford Council is once again only thinking about Bradford Bulls and possibly BPA.
    It would not be big enough to accomadate Bradfotrd City in the present climate (cheap season tickets), if it is true I would hope Bradford City Football Club request some answers from the council.
     
  20. USEDTOBEKWIKSAVE

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    Word is City/Bulls/Council in talks with Caddick Construction to build initial 15,000 seater stadium at Richard Dunn's site. Will be gradually converted to 28,000 seater in final years City's of lease runs out at VP. City will pay cash for extra 13,0000.
     

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