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Financial Results

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Storck, Mar 26, 2025.

  1. Dennis

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    Every club in the Championship has made an operating loss in the last 2 years. See the attached graph. Championship clubs therefore have to be shored up by their owners with millions every season. That's what owners of Championship clubs have to do. The only clubs which made a profit over this period were Watford and Coventry who made some serious dosh from player transfers but they are the exception.
     

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  2. Kevin1954

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    Income from transfers could and will probably dry up in any case, unless they have massive Academy churn of youngsters or an outstanding world class scouting network ? .
     
  3. Dennis

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    Indeed. They won't dry up entirely but few clubs in the Championship make sufficient money on transfers to offset the losses elsewhere. Last season, Watford made a profit on player transfers of £29 mill and Coventry made a profit on transfers of £24 mill. They were needed to offset enormous losses for the clubs and to earn a modest profit overall. And they were the exceptions. Welcome to the world of the Championship, Stefan.
     
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  4. Kevin1954

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    Bit like Peterborough but on a much larger scale . !
     
  5. Onside

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    We can forget Championship then? Our owner will not be able to plough that kind of money in. You have to be a fan with huge amount of resources that you don’t mind losing to compete in the Championship.
     
  6. Dennis

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    It's highly unlikely imo with our current owner. Why would he choose to plough a substantial portion of his own fortune into the club where he has little emotional attachment? There would have to be a fundamental change in the financial structure of football before it would be considered. It's bonkers at the moment. If football clubs were a 'normal business' making widgets, I'd question the mentality and business acumen of those owners investing in it.

    As the old adage goes, how do you make a small fortune in Championship football? Start with a large one!

    I recall ML once saying that his mate Dean Hoyle who was the owner of Town at the time put over £60mill into his club over a fairly short period to fund their losses in the Championship. It was one of the reasons why ML decided to sell the club to somebody with the means to take it forward.
     
  7. Petrov

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    Not sure this has been picked up by many, but I found the first part of this sentence interesting -
    'the interest in our football club as a property and commercially continues to develop'.

     
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  8. Dennis

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    I can't see that comment. It may be because I don't have an X account of course!

    It's an interesting comment though. Is there a suggestion that there is somebody in the wings who is interested in buying VP? No doubt it will set some hares running.
     
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  9. Petrov

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    If you click into the article and put your phone into airplane mode as it's loading you should be able to read it.
     
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  10. shoatsy

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    That's gonna change my life
     
  11. Storck

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    I’ll be honest I’ve not got the effort to try and get that timing right just to find out what Sparks has said
     
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    A small point, but it would be better to separate the management and associated costs from the player costs. Then we could get an accurate picture on the player budget.
     
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  14. andyc

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    So a loss of £1million last season and £2.5 million in total debt
    We could do with one of the youngster out at the bigger clubs coming through, how is the lad at Brighton doing, although we did take £1 million in transfer revenue?
    Hopefully we get promoted with a good uptake on season ticket sales and better away following to push that turnover upwards
    Or maybe we can get £5million for Odour
     
  15. Dennis

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    Just to be clear, the £2.5mill shown in the Financial Results as the Net Asset Deficiency is not the same as the club's debt. It is simply a coincidence to be so similar. It's a weird number to be included in the Financial Results highlights. One interpretation of it is that it represents the nominal value of the equity in the club when it was originally bought 20 or so years ago less the accumulated annual losses incurred since then! Or if you like, the negative funds of the shareholders in a loss making business.Yes, really! Does it make any sense at all to know that? It makes less sense to me as a chartered accountant compared to some things which have not been disclosed.

    Coincidentally, the club's debt outstanding in loans (strictly speaking those due in more than 12 months time) is a similar(ish) value of £2.9 mill. There's no mention of that in the Financial Results which is surprising to me. It doesn't expressly say why it has increased in the past 12 months (we could all hazard a guess) nor where it was sourced, again we could all speculate. Both could be pieces of good news imo and yet the club chooses not to share that with its principal sources of funds, its fans. That's puzzling.
     
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  16. 13eta

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    So 4.1M on first team and management, call that what 35 to account for management staff, that’s just over £2k per week for each, even needing to consider Hughes payoff-knocking about £200k off the headline figure.
     
  17. andyc

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    Not much detail to go on really, which as you say, leaves a lot open to interpretation
    One thing is for certain there will be many more clubs far worse off than us financially
    I would love to see Carlisle accounts for the past two years . Apparently their wage bill is over £5 million for this season money well spent NOT
     
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  18. andyc

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    I think the financial position of most clubs would improve remarkably, if the government brought in a rule on the maximum number of foreign players each club was allowed to. All clubs would then have to look lower down the pyramid for players and the money would filter down, rather than going abroad the quality of the premiership might have improved over the past two decades, but I reckon we still might be waiting another 60 years for England to win anything, which is what we were told with the inception of the premier league
    I wonder who will be singing three lions in the year 2086
     
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  19. CrosbyBantam

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    I love that last line!

    I'm not sure even his own mum would pay £5m for him
     
  20. Lard Arse

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    Salford lost £5.3m in the same timeframe.


    How the fcuk is any of this sustainable. One club is going to go soon and then they'll be a domino effect.
    Football is built on sand (and Ego;s)
     
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