Denying an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity (DOGSO)

Never a sending off, but I’d say a pen , however we have seen dozens ourselves with Cookie alone not given , and look at the ball on the “spot” ?

He’s a homer without question if his game record is anything to go by.

 

Lad is a Liverpool nut after City and he says Jotta should have got a yellow for simulation . That will do for me. I called it even before it went to VAR.

 

Fair comment but as I posted above before the end of of the season we'll see several very similar situations where the referee will just show a yellow as he doesn't think the player would possibly go on to score, and as many have posted Baker-Richardson being so far from goal still had plenty to do.
With regards the VAR call I'm not suggesting VAR should make the call but I do believe Hooper should as it was cheating/trying to gain an unfair advantage.
Just to add my reply to the red was that it IMO was harsh, I try not to react with knee jerk replies.

 

Honest question @Bumblebee_Tuna are you or were you at one time a referee, with reference to your "and admittedly I do have an agenda" comment.

 

Only school level. It's my number one bug bear though. I hate the culture in football about hammering refs because I feel like i try to be rational. There's so much for me that makes sense that others refuse to see. I could bore you all day with it but the bottom line is the ref's biggest critics complain about decisions that others support. It's quite rare that referees make decisions that are universally criticised. In those circumstances I'm happy to join the criticism but even then you have to factor in the fact they have an appaing view, pitch level with no sense of dimension and bodies constantly in the way. If you've ever sat on the front row, you'll know what I mean.

Ultimately you can say what you like about the standard of refereeing but I am confident those who say it's shit wil persist in that view regardless. Why? Because they don't like subjective decisions being made on incidents that go a separate way from how they perceive it. There's no fixing that so the people who call refs sh*te will have always held that view and they always will.

Final thought is to imagine yourself in their shoes. You'd make a handful of decisions within the first 20 minutes that would leave you needing a police escort off the pitch at half time. That goes for you, me and anyone else on this forum.

Final, final though. The standard of refereeing will never be better than it is now. I'm not saying it's great but it's as good as its ever going to be.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling out incompetence, no matter who it is or what walk of life . If I had showed incompetence in my job I could end up being in prison under H&S legislation !!!
This chap has to DEMONSTRATE his impartiality , so why isn’t he showing such , or indeed many may say rightly , knowledge of the rules he is officiating a game with?
It appears he’s primarily officiating with the “ home “ support in mind. Like it or not that’s precisely how he comes across and his record thus far proves my and other point extremely well.

All supporters want is CONSISTENCY, if a rule or law is ambiguous or wide open to opinion and as someone said the other day “ instinct”, it’s a wrong law and should be rewritten or removed. That’s all supporters want, fairness and even application of said rules. Some may say this sanitises the game …I’d fundamentally disagree.

 

You'll remember big Steve Bains who played for us In the late 70s who became a referee and actually referred a Bradford City game this is a comment with regards his time refereeing: Baines had made the List after less than ten years refereeing. However he was still able to serve eight years as a Football League referee during which he had a low rate of red and yellow cards. He handled matches involving most of his former clubs.
The highlighted is hardly surprising to most City fans as he knew as an ex-professional what was intentional, deliberate or malicious.

And just to add when players did go down for a nothing challenge Bains would just smile at them as if to say don't try and con me lad I've been there, seen it, done it, and he had.

 

But Kev, that's the whole point with the debate around officials. You can call a referee incompetent for making a decision you disagree with all you like but 90% of the time there will be other supporters who agree with the call. You see it every single week on every single forum / message board / comments up and down the country. Every single decision is debated to death. Why do you think your opinion is king?

Playing devil's advocate, if you see a referee make a decision that you think is horrendous and then discover that there is a split jury amongst the football community do you continue to see it as a horrendous decision or do you step back and consider that maybe the ref was justified. Surely if there is a difference of opinion then you concede that you disagree but that the ref is entitled to make it

With all due respect I think you base your opinion of the referees on whether or not you agree with the decision. It's a subjective game and that's never going to happen.

As for 'ambiguity' in the rules. That's literally the only way the game can ever exist. Most decisions are borderline, yes we have rules but they are just words. There will always be differences in how they are interpreted on every individual decision.

 

“ But” …. You fell off that fence you claim you are sitting on again .

 

I agree that football fans hammer refs too much and 95% of it is unjustified but there are occasions, such as the decision at Wimbledon where refs should be called out and criticised.

I'd like to add that this isn't the case in our game at Newport though and whilst a few decisions baffled me I can accept the red card call even though I don't necessarily agree with it.

 

Fair enough. I've put the Wimbledon one to the test on another forum and it's completely split opinion. I don't see your reasoning behind it being a complete mistake. I can get that you have an opinion that it's not a red but there's at least a case for it.

 

Good points, BUT, surely it's a matter of time before all EFL referees are professional. There's easily enough money in the game, and it's frankly silly that it isn't already the case.

If Chelsea sign one less European that will never do anything, you've probably got the funding for an entire seasons worth of referees.

In that case, the standard will increase.

 

Aye. I can see forums up and down the land in 10 years celebrating how great the standard of refereeing is instead of constantly whinging about every debatable call that doesn't go their teams way.

 

As I watched the Liverpool game Simon Hooper looked to have a right gut on him and I believe Premier referees have to pass a fitness regime not sure if EFL referees are the same but Andrew Humphries the referee on Saturday was no where to be seen with regards him being up with play would professional EFL referees be better ?.

 

No surprise but Jamie Raynor has just confirmed the club won't be appealing the red card.

 

Looks to be at least 20 yds from the incident and no sign of a lino, was he this side of Huntinton.
Ref was probably chatting to one of their players, saying, watch me f their promotion chances up.

 

The ref was 10 yards away from Mellon who hit a volley that was blocked about 20 yards from the Newport goal. The ball ricochet off their defender, and in the space of about 2 seconds gets picked up in midfield by their man who spins and plays a 30 yard ball forward. The ref then in your opinion needs to make up a good 50 yards in bout 3 seconds to get even close to play. It's ludicrous to pin that on him. If he could get up and into our half that quickly he'd be playing left wing for Real Madrid. You make some reasonable and fair contributions but this is a bit mental.

 

Pointless. its a one game ban and they would not win, so would just be giving the FA money.

 

I have always though a ref in each half, don't have to keep up with play then and can keep an eye on play when in the other half to confer, if needed. Two heads better than 1 and is they don't agree, the ref in which the incident takes place gets the final say.
The assistant refs or lino to me are normally useless.

 

Non of us support Crewe , yet we are “whinging” about poor officiating in their game V Wimbledon too how does that sit with your last comment?

I said, perhaps you missed it, fans deserve fair and even handed officials? That’s all is required, the more we continue to “protect” and “excuse” their lack of competence( in some cases ) how does that IMPROVE standards?.

Remember a Professional referee was recently dismissed for bragging he was deliberately and instinctively biased against a team? .