Denying an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity (DOGSO)

I was there too , the last time a second tier team won.
And this was the foul

 

Give over you big southern Jessie, a magnificent tackle, never a red in a million years……How the heck was that not a red?

 

We'll see games either live or in TV before the end of the season where a similar situation happens and the referee will show a yellow, the powers that be are trying to make what is a simple game into something fans find difficult to grasp, the off side rule is a joke as is VAR, we were told (it will only take seconds to get the correct result as in cricket) yet we see at times it goes back and forth for minutes.
They have goal line technology down to a fine art as the referee gets the decision more or less instantly.

 

Yes I wouldn't have posted the Crewe incident if I had not watched it, you see that sort of grabbing of players both attacking and defending at most corners and the vast majority of times the referee let's the game continue. Unfortunately as fans we have complained with regards the authorities making the game a none contact sport yet referees allow this sort of thing to go on in the box and rarely give penalties, it's very similar with shoulder to shoulder challenges you seen blatant pushes and the referee waves play on, once again was saw a Premiership referee not giving what should have been a yellow for blatant cheating by Jota trying to buy a penalty after VAR showed there was no contact at all so much inconsistency.
With regards our Red I think @Keefly Bantam comment about ambiguity is correct he was 35 yards from goal and certainly not in control of the ball, now if it had been just outside the box I don't think it would have caused the controversy it has, it's was far from a simple call on this occasion as it wasn't an obvious goal scoring chance, the referee thought otherwise we move on.

 

Having been away this weekend, i was interested to see what all the fuss was about.
The offside looks very tight, the sending off , You can see why its a red and we would be calling for it, if the boot was on the other foot, unfortunately there are too many variants to get a definite answer with these decisions, especially when 35 to 40 yards from goal. Huntington is close, could he get over and cover before the Newport lad gets to the ball and takes it under control ? The striker could fall over, who knows.
What does worry me though , is this referees match stats, he is clearly out of his depth at football league level.
The FA will back him, but drop him down ,when they think no one is watching.

 

Jota should've been booked for sure. I might be wrong but I don't think VAR rules allow a booking to be issued in those circumstances. It can only rule on whether or not it's a pen.

Trying to be rational here in responding to all of this and admittedly I do have an agenda but I personally think the uproar around each and every decision is ruining the game and I blame the fiasco on fans, players and managers more than I do the referees.

The first issue that I think a lot of fans struggle to accept is the subjectivity of officiating. For every decision that you might call a disgrace, I can guarantee that someone else will support it. That's the nature of the football. The referee has to make so many subjective calls. Excessive force, goal scoring opportunity, natural body position, intent, endangering an opponent, initiating contact, etc etc, the list is endless. The wording is there in the rules but it's all completely subjective. You could have 10 experts in a room and in most high profile incidents you'll get a range of opinions. You will never make football a game that can be officiated in a binary manner. Even the complaints about 'inconsistency' are subjective as I can show you two incidents that you think are 'the same' and someone else will find ways to distinguish them from each other.

The red card yesterday is a perfect case in point. In light of the range of opinions on the incident, it's irrational to say the ref 'got it wrong'. In the face of such contention, by making that claim you are (not you personally)placing yourself as the arbiter of what is the 'correct' call even though it's purely subjective. If 90% of fans are criticising a call then you can criticise the decision but when the jury is split, it's fairer to say 'I don't agree with the decision but the ref is justified in giving it'. If it had been yellow that's what I'd be saying.

Genuinely, I feel that refs get most of the stick from individuals who can't come to terms with the idea that most calls are subjective and the referee isn't compelled to agree with them.

 

I was on about the Wimbledon v Crewe game and like i said before if folk think the Shepherd red was bad then this one is really off the scale ..........and if hes only 6 games in and making them decisions then he shouldnt be near the pro game ........... i know they dont have it easy but they can sure make there life easier by getting basic decisions right

 

May have cross wires bud i was quoting what Hackett said regarding the Crewe game not ours

 

I actually thought straight away it was a red so i aint gonna start pulling him to bits for that but that aside he was really fooking poor and add to what he did at the Crewe game ...........hes 6 games in and it aint looking good is it .............i know they can make mistakes and being a rookie hes bound to make them but we are talking basics here and if hes getting them wrong then he really is screwed

 

What's your reasoning behind the red against Crewe not being justified? Either you think it's not a goal scoring opportunity or you think the Crewe defender us making a genuine play for the ball? I'm not sure if there are any other factors I'm missing?

 

The Crewe red is one of the worst decisions from an official that I've seen in over 40 years of watching the game.

He should have been removed from the league officials list immediately and been made to retrain further down the pyramid.

 

You can't honestly think that's a red card in the Crewe game, not unless you're on a wind up.

 

I'm on the fence. I'd probably give a yellow. Loads on the Wimbledon forum applauding the decision and the referee for applying the laws properly. I notice the decision wasn't over turned.

 

The fact the decision wasn't overturned means absolutely nothing. That's just the FA protecting their referee.

I find you suggesting you're on the fence an absolutely bizarre comment though. I doubt there's anyone else that isn't a biased Wimbledon fan that would seriously back the decision of awarding a red card there.

 

This constant interference with the rules in football drives me mad; no explanation as to why it has to change. Then as you say VAR is a joke, Phil says they have 7!!! refs up in the box. So now it is decision by cttm. No wonder it takes so long. Then we have to wait for the ref to wander over and give his final verdict.


Then we have the offside rule, which now no longer takes into account the positivity of the game. Strikers were given the edge when it was close. Now we have toenails being offside!!

We won’t be seeing yellow cards for denying a player a goal opportunity outside the box, they are not allowed. So uncertainty is also not allowed. You either let it go because you are not certain or it’s a red card. On and on it goes until they have driven fans away from football.

 

Sorry mate, old age confusion here, no didn't see the Wimbledon v Crewe one.

 

Thanks Tony

In my view never a red, not even sure it's a yellow, but again as with most games it's one camera angle.

 

Its fooking shocking bud got told about this before our game Saturday but didnt know how bad it was ...........gonna give him the benefit of the doubt Saturday i thought it was a red some will agree and some will clearly disagree...........but thats just so fooking bad and if hes sending folk off for that ( crewe ) then he shouldnt be near a pro game...........sadly like i have said before if the so called top officals get it wrong with modern technology then what do you thinks gonna happen at our level?????