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Denying an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity (DOGSO)

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by 1976Bantam, Feb 15, 2025.

  1. ahar964

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    Be interesting to
    Be interesting to see if he tries to redress the balance, assuming he gets any more matches.
     
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  2. AngryGaz

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    You think that was a straight red ????,
     
  3. Bronco

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    I believe that was only his 7th league game, and for all the counter arguments I still believe the decision was harsh and maybe a yellow would have been more appropriate, but that's what the forums all about.
     
  4. JonButterfield

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    I agree that can be a red card, but I'm hearing that wasn't the only issue with his officiating?
     
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  5. Dennis

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    From 2024/25 a referee can no longer give a yellow card for a DOGSO offence outside of the penalty area. That's part of the changes which have been implemented for the current season
     
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  6. Onside

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    Why not? Is there some reasoning behind that decision? Is the EFL trying to gain money from clubs challenging the decision? What if the ref is not certain?
     
  7. Dennis

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    I've no idea why it may have changed. That's simply what the latest Ref's Handbook says.

    DOGSO Update for 2024/25 ....

    "An offence committed outside the penalty area that denies a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity will be a red card."
     
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  8. Bumblebee_Tuna

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    Hasn't that always been the case? The only change was restricting offences in the area that were deemed as a genuine attempt to a yellow only.
     
  9. Dennis

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    I don't recall when that particular part changed if at all. But yes I agree, certain offences involving non-deliberate handball within the penalty area which would have given rise to a penalty have been downgraded to a yellow card to avoid the double jeopardy dilemma.
     
  10. Bronco

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    But that's down to the referees interpretation and if anyone can honestly say that challenge 35 yards out from goal was as you quote then we're going to see even more bewildering decisions going forward.
     
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    Don't often disagree with you Dave but I do on this one. If a striker bearing down on goal with only the keeper to beat isn't a obvious scoring opportunity then the rules need changing. The only possible reason that isn't a red is the position of Paul Huntingdon and that's open to interpretation.
     
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  12. Dennis

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    It's the ref's judgement to determine firstly that the offence is DOGSO by taking account of the four criteria. After that, if he deems it to be DOGSO, then he has no discretion when he shows the card. It has to be red.
     
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  13. Kevin1954

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    Thanks Dennis.
     
  14. Keefly Bantam

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    Maybe I don't but I am not alone such is the ambiguity to it.
     
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    Baker-Richardson was hardly bearing down on goal the foul was committed around 30/35 yards out from goal, the rules actually say: Distance between the offence and the goal - A fairly obvious and expected part of the decision process, but how close was the foul and potential DOGSO to the goal that the fouled party were aiming to score in? I said at the time and still believe it was a harsh call Baker-Richardson still had plenty to do to score I've said I wouldn't have expected Huntington to catch him but out of the corner of your eye you see a player chasing you and you are trying to concentrate what the keepers doing especially as I said he'd just missed a sitter 5 minutes into the game with a one on one with Walker.

    Anyway over all it was a very good performance shutting out a team that were as ourselves in a good run of form results wise, we were away over the weekend so I missed the last minute or so of the extra time why did Leigh, Walker and Sarcevic get booked for time wasting ?.
     
  16. Rogered Tart

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    I guess the ambiguity comes with the word obvious. To me a one on one with the keeper is classed as an obvious opportunity but i can respect if someone sees it differently.
     
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    Yeah this wasn't a one on one scenario was it-hence the differing viewpoints. A good ref would have taken a bit more time to think. Hopefully he is demoted soon.
     
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  18. Interested Bystander

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    As I said, yes, given all the guidelines, and as I said, harsh
     
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  19. Tennesseebantam

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    I was thinking about a clear through on goal situation with an obvious goal scoring opportunity, it was at Spurs, no challenge and the the opportunity was with Zirkzee, that lad should have waited for the challenge! Should a ref be able to factor in the ability of a player to hit a cow’s arse with a banjo?
    The DOGSO is the red headed stepchild of the famous Willy Young / Paul Allen foul 45 years ago. I believe @Interested Bystander@Interested Bystander might be familiar with this one. Well worth a watch but it shows how the game has changed.
     
  20. Offcomedun

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    I was there. I can still see it clearly. Biggest example of a ref completely bottling a decision that I’ve ever seen. Paul Allen was through one on one just outside the area when Young blatantly chopped him down from behind.
    At that time, no player had ever been sent off in an FA Cup Final and that ref clearly did not want make history by being the first one to do so. Thankfully we won anyway, but that’s probably the worse piece of refereeing I’ve ever watched live.
     

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