Denying an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity (DOGSO)

That may well be true and that’s my point…. Some will some won’t….

 

I agree it was a sending off but he still had a lot to do. And a lot of refs would have given him a yellow

 

it's interesting that you quote Saliba. I hadn't seen it, I don't watch much PL these days as it bores me rigid at times. Just watched the YouTube clip and it looks like the sending off only occurred AFTER VAR intervention so it looks like the refs initial thought was Yellow but VAR looked at it and then the ref looks at the monitor and overturns the Yellow to a Red....so it was the 'interpretation' of the VAR ref that swung it.

Personally I think today's was harsh but can see the 'interpretation' being applied but very subjective.

 

At the end of the day a “ law” open to such varied and open “ interpretation” is a poor law, I think we all agree.

No 1 consideration according refs guidlines is the is “distance from goal “ , yet does not determine the distance .

Things to consider for denying a goal or clear goal-scoring opportunity are:

-Distance between the offence and the goal
-General direction of the play
-Likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
-Location and number of defenders.


We never used to have it , so what necessitated its inclusion ?

 

It's one of them where you are annoyed that the red was given to your defender. But if the shoe was on the other foot and a Newport defender took down Mellon in the same spot of the field, we'd all want a red and find the reasons in the law for it to be given.

We did well for so long and that shouldn't be forgotten. Move onwards, it's crap for Shepherd and I don't think we can field an 18 at Birmingham unless call up from the youth team.

 

I cannot see why it was an obvious goal scoring opportunity from where he was on the pitch. Yes he was goal side of our player but how does that equate to an OBVIOUS opportunity. It's league 2 for heaven's sake. 9 times out of 10 the shot will be no where the goal.

Some times referees just have to stop and think a little.

Great point and you can see the real team spirit in the camp. Bodes well for the run in.

 

Listen you can moan about the red card i thought it wss but after thst he was fooking shocking but then again if the elite are fooking up week after week what do you thinks gonna happen ???

 

The only possible reason not to give it is if the referee deems Huntingdon close enough to cover. If not its a clear red, the player has the run on Shepherd and will get to the ball clearly before Walker does, hence a one on one with the keeper. If that ain't a clear chance we might as well rewrite the rules.

 

When you introduce speculative observations it make is even more of a travesty.

You have assumed:
Huntingdon won't offer any cover
Their player will adequately gain control of the ball.

Both speculative observations.

How on earth did the ref draw those conclusions himself so quickly? I think he just guessed. Apparently he is a shit ref anyway so should we be surprised? I guess not.

 

When is DOGSO called?

• When an attacker is fouled while close to scoring
• When a defender pulls down an attacker who has a chance to score
• When a player uses their hands to prevent a goal

What's the penalty for DOGSO?

• A red card is usually given to the player who commits a DOGSO offense
• A penalty kick is given to the opposing team if the offense occurs in the penalty area
• If the offense occurs outside the penalty area, a direct free kick is given to the attacking team

Other DOGSO considerations:

• The distance between the offense and the goal
• The general direction of play
• The likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
• The location and number of defenders

 

I think I have walked into “let’s all support crap referees convention”

A law that tries to take into account whether the covering defender can make the distance or not is totally foolish. He never gave it any consideration he was far too quick to pull the red card out. We can’t see all sides of the incident, which is a hindrance to any decision making. Was it a coming together he is allowed to tackle ( remember those are still part of the game. The linesman flag went up but he was in front of the incident the ref was well behind so did not have a clear view. The striker still had loads of work to do and in my view this should have been a yellow. You don’t send players off and hinder a team for 70+ minutes for an innocuous tackle like that. Too many variables in my view. To say he would have a clear chance of scoring is questionable in my view.
There is far too much interference in football and it is making it less watchable. Games are stop start and less fluid.

In particular going to ground when nothing has happened which happened on numerous occasions today.

 

Had the boot been on the other foot, how many City fans would be calling for a red?

 

It’s a good question, there has been times when I haven’t agreed with the refs decisions even though we benefit.

 

Not many, Most of us would have expected yellow as we have seen on many occasions.

 

Well done lad for sticking your head above the parapet, but speaking as an ex ref (wrcfa and bfd sunday alliance) this is all about opinions and to all the keyboard warriors...until you are in the same position as a ref you don't realise that you have to react on instinct. If it's wrong it's wrong and even the assessor coming into the changing room at the end of the game can't change the decision. #gladimoutofit#

 

That's not how the law works, if it was then you wouldn't have DOGSO in the games in the Bradford Sunday League 4th division as big Barry will miss loads of chances as he's recovering from 10 pints the night before. Whilst league 2 isn't the Premier League I'd say most strikers would hit the target a lot more than 1 out 10 when through one on one with the keeper.
If we were judging it on how good the player then any foul on Messi in and around the box is DOGSO.

 

That was my whole point when people quoted the Saliba case. The initial decision was Yellow. Only AFTER VAR was involved and a look at the monitor was the Yellow changed to Red, so in effect after multiple viewings by multiple people!!

 

He wasn't through one on one with the keeper though. Far from it.

 

So theoretically (we'll never know as Shepherd hauled him down) how exactly does the attacker in this situation not end in a one on one with the keeper? Run off to the corner flag? He's about 15 metres away from the box almost central. Don't include Huntingdon, he's not getting across, possibly Crichlow would if he's on the pitch.