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Should Footballers be put on Unpaid Leave?

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Bigrod, Mar 16, 2020.

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Should players and other staff be placed on ‘Unpaid Leave”

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Placed on very reduced pay

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  4. Uncertain

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  1. Bigrod

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    Given that footballers are no longer playing and that a significant number are not training, should they be put on ‘unpaid leave’ in essence ‘laid off’. Can clubs continue to pay high salaries, if their income has virtually ground to a halt. Other sectors such as flight crews, hotel, hospitality and catering staff (even firework manufacturer’s https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/health/coronavirus/staff-laid-peterborough-fireworks-factory-coronavirus-closes-public-celebrations-2451831) are responding to the situation. If the clubs continue to pay substantial salaries, then they must face the danger of going bankrupt. So for the long term benefit of the game, should players, some coaching staff and back room staff predominantly involved in match day activity, be on at the very least very reduced pay?
     
    #1 Bigrod, Mar 16, 2020
  2. Frank Castle

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    No. It's not their fault that they can't do the job they are paid to do.
     
    #2 Frank Castle, Mar 16, 2020
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    Surely we don't pay that useless bunch at VP anyway?
     
    #3 Bantamspaul, Mar 16, 2020
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    No. Why should they?
     
    #4 Nottsy, Mar 16, 2020
  5. Bigrod

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    But why are they any different, than any other worker who is affected by this situation. Surely they should be treated the same as pilots, chef’s, bar staff, air crew, etc.
     
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  6. Frank Castle

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    Do they not get full pay? I've been on gardening leave before and that was full pay. If I need to self-isolate, my employer will be paying me my full wage in sick pay.

    Footballers still have bills and mortgages to pay. They still need to feed their families. The shutdown is very likely to last months rather than weeks, nobody can afford to lose that sort of income.
     
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    Some of our squad have been on leave whilst getting paid in full most of the present season.
     
    #7 Bronco, Mar 16, 2020
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  8. Bigrod

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    Gardening Leave is something available when you hand your notice in, often to go to a competitor. I have had family members who were paid for 3 months.

    This is fundamentally different. The firm (or club) could go bust, if they have to pay substantial salaries, with no income.

    Here are a few examples of staff being asked to take leave. https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/coronavirus-news-airlines-unpaid-leave-british-airways-empty-flights-a9381181.html

    These are extraordinary times. Not my choice of paper, but here you go. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8111721/Britains-usually-busy-nightlife-strips-resemble-ghost-towns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html
     
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    The links provided are a completely different situation to the one in your op.

    The examples you provide are of staff being 'asked' to take unpaid leave and clearly have a choice. The way you describe it in your op you would be forcing players to take unpaid leave which, I imagine, isn't legal.
     
    #9 NorthernMonkey, Mar 16, 2020
  10. Bigrod

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    It was a hypothetical question. As I have said these are very ‘different’ times. If a business loses a substantial income stream, it may well be in danger of going bankrupt. In those circumstances could the club ‘lay off’ footballers? I think a number of clubs depend on match day income to survive, if it dries up, then their ability to function will be put under intense pressure.

    You made reference to my first post. The link I provided contained this paragraph, ‘She said about 70 staff had been laid off and they were no longer being paid’.
     
    #10 Bigrod, Mar 16, 2020
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    The problem is by the time football comes back its very possible most of them will be out of contract so they will have been taking unpaid leave until their contracts run out and then be out of work for even longer with no club willing to offer them a deal until they know when footballs back.

    Also the clubs may be fine on wages depending on their insurance policies as this may be covered (Certainly at PL level it will be)
     
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    #11 SimonW, Mar 16, 2020
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    Shouldn't that apply to everyone directly affected by this crisis then?
     
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    yes, but will probably depends on each contract of employment
     
    #13 Storck, Mar 16, 2020
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    No, a high earning player will have a lifestyle and outgongs reflecting that income.

    You'd thing these players sat in a 2 up 2 down counting their wads. When in reality they spend huge wads on daft stuff providing and securing employment for many.
     
    #14 abbomf, Mar 18, 2020
  15. Bigrod

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    Again, completely different to your OP.

    Voluntary pay cuts can not be compared to people being forced to take unpaid leave.
     
    #16 NorthernMonkey, Mar 26, 2020
  17. Bigrod

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    It seems as though you want to force this thread to totally remain on the wording of the thread title.

    My fresh post was looking at how things are changing in response to Coronavirus.

    As you are well aware threads on message boards often veer away from the narrow confines of the title.

    This development looks at footballers and is relevant to their income and a reduction.
     
    #17 Bigrod, Mar 26, 2020
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    It is rumoured they have been told if they didn’t then it could force the club into admin, so either defer some wages now or don’t get paid this month
     
    #18 Storck, Mar 26, 2020
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    Makes sense. Footballers have to face reality, which is impacting on the income of millions of the population.
     
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  20. Bantam-in-Greece

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    Aren't the government paying 80% of wages (up to a max of £2,500 pm) for employees who cannot work with the employer paying the 20% (optional)??
     
    #20 Bantam-in-Greece, Mar 27, 2020
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