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England matches discussion.

Discussion in 'General Football' started by TallinnBantam, Jun 19, 2026.

  1. Onside

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    No but at least 3 of the players in defence will be Man City players and will have some idea on how to play him. Bonus is we don’t have to honour red cards now. Starmer has had a phone call with FIFA and been down the couch for the bung
     
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  2. SimonW

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    Norway are fairly poor overall, especially if Sorloth plays as he is just so slow and he just ends up going backwards. It's just Haaland who drags them up a level. And with our defence being a shambled unless we are forced into a low block like after the sending off I do fear he will get chances.

    Still don't understand Tuchels squad tbh. Its as obvious James would get injured, its not like he is Shaw who has just had a season where he started every game and seems to have found a solution to his injuries, And he just doesn't seem to trust Spence anywhere but LB hence why he went with a CB to start at RB and when he was sent off brought on Stones and moved Konsa there. Why when Livramento got injured did he an add inexperienced CB in his place? I worry he will play Konsa RB and play Stones who isn't match fit at CB and that Haaland could have a field day.

    And I'm not sure LB is much better. O'Reilly gets injured and we are down to Spence who he doesn't see to trust.

    I'm not a fan of TAA because he just doesn't have a position that suits him (You are always making massive compromises to fit him in any position) but in those situations surely you take him when Livramento gets injured. And Statistically Tyrick Mitchell is the closest we have to a backup of O’Reilly followed by Ryan Sessegnon and then behind those two Shaw if you want experience over youth.

    Also Toney. Surely when he took Kane off Toney was ideally. Big strong, good at winning balls I the air and can hold play up. With Rodgers it was being lost and coming back just as much as it was with Kane
     
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  3. TallinnBantam

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    I stayed up and watched too - 3am...make that 4am kick off after the delay! But it was worth it. Heroes the lot of them. At no point did they look like collapsing due to lack of oxygen - they just sucked up that Mexican air. Fantastic. Bellingham immense. Pickford back to his crazy best.

    I feel the Norway game is going to be like a Prem match. Our centrebacks know Haaland and his game very well. Rice knows Odegaard inside out. If we can contain those two, then we should win the game. The only worry is left back - Spence looked a bit like a headless chicken last night, getting pulled and wrongfooted. Oscar Bobb will be licking his lips. Fingers crossed James is fit.

    I'm fairly confident we'll win this won. And if it's the Argies after that, then I'm not worried about them either.
     
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  4. SimonW

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    While it's wrong Trump used his influence, Balogun's is justified on a couple of fronts.

    First being while everyone is talking about how intent doesn't matter it's talking about when a player makes a conscious action such as a tackle. If you do a tackle, get it wrong and put a player at risk then it's a red card but 'conscious action is important here'. If its not a conscious action and its out of your control that doesn't get punished, there are situations every game where the player isn't taking a conscious action but it could be dangerous to the opposition but they don't get a red. Balogun's is knocked off balance by the Bosnian, his leg goes up and gravity means it has to come down. The Bosnian is behind him so he can't even try and adjust as he doesn't know the players leg is there. It's a complete freak accident that no-one has any fault in.

    In addition they aren't supposed to show the ref those decisions in slow motion as they do make it seem worse and certainly not such a short part of the clip, it looks more deliberate in slow motion without the context so that' a VAR failure
     
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  5. Birky Bantam

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    It might have been an accident but so what the incident where the Canada player got a broken get and the Qatar player has got a 5 game which is ridiculous then you have Ronaldo getting away with only a 1 game ban for elbowing an opponent. There's no doubt this is more corruption from FIFA and in particular Infantino who's making Blatter look honourable
     
  6. SimonW

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    There is a difference between the Qatar player and Balogun though. Thats the Qutari player was making a challenge (although it should never have been upgraded to a 5 game ban, there were worse tackles in that match that only got a yellow and then there was Musiala tackle in the Panama game that was the most premeditated attempt to do someone harm that I have ever seen. That should have been an immediate red and like a 6 month ban from all football).

    Law 12 specifically states
    It says tackle or challenge to avoid situations where a player gets punished for situations that might be dangerous to a player but its outside anyones control.

    Balogun hasn't made a tackle or challenge. He gets to the ball first, the Bosnian challenges him and knocks him off balance, his foot goes off the ground due to this and then due to the laws of physics it has to come down. If it was due to a challenge he was making then its a red, or maybe even if he intentionally made sure his foot came down on the leg then you could argue it was a red but the Bosnian is behind him, he can't see where the leg is.

    And let's just think about this for a minute, seriously foul play DOES NOT NEED CONTACT. Something deemed serious foul play is so even if contact with the player doesn't happen. Without contact would this have been deemed serious foul play? No it wouldn’t. VAR only looked at it because of the injury and looked at it in slow motion and stills without the full context , it shows only after Baloguns leg starts to come down so it doesn't show why his leg was up which does change the context
     
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  7. Frank Castle

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    I don't think anyone is arguing that it was a red. It was extremely harsh and never a red card. HOWEVER, irrespective of how harsh it was, according to FIFA's own rules, he should AT LEAST miss the next match. The fact he is able to play tonight is due to the fact he's the USA's best player and Infantino is so far up Trump's bum that you can't even see his shoes. If this would have happened to any other player on any other team the ban would NOT have been 'suspended'.
     
  8. Birky Bantam

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    What we saw in the Mexico match was the real clear sign of how tactically astute Tuchel is. From minute 1 to 112 he got it spot on. The subs were perfect and he used the hydration breaks perfectly, the first one was used as the marker to get the game to 0-0 then attack from there then the 2nd one was to make the tactical changes that helped us see the game out.
    Tuchel said he picked players with situations in mind and we saw exactly why he brought Burn as he was outstanding when he came on. He's put together a group of players that is a squad to work hard and be adaptable rather than what we've had in the past of picking the best players and finding a system to suit them.

    Norway are probably a very similar side to use with a lot of hard workers and a world class striker, I certainly think it will be a tough game and like their game against Brazil Haaland only needs 1 chance to score so we can't afford to concede chances like we have. It'll be interesting to see who we play at RB with Quansah suspended (unless Starmer can put in a call), I sounds like James might be available but it would be a risk to start him.
     
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  9. Birky Bantam

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    This is it, FIFA have basically rewritten their rules just to suit a player because Trump got upset and whatever he says Infantino does. It's no surprise now that France are appealing the yellow card given to Olise which was clearly wrong as that could have an impact if he gets yellow card in the next game he's suspended for the final. I'm sure the FA will appeal Quansah's red card as they have nothing to lose.
    What FIFA are saying is that there's never been a wrong red card in the World Cup until this incident which I am certain won't be true .
     
  10. SimonW

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    Except we don't actually know that for a serious screw up by both the referee and VAR that there isn't mechanism in place for oversight and over turning things because while we have had harsh reds they have been about interpretations not outright going against both the laws of the game AND the VAR guidelines (Although it really should work the other way as well. Messi should have received a ban and Musiala shouldn't be playing football again for the rest of 2026).

    The rules only state that Nations can't appeal, it doesn't say FIFA can't decide to overturn on their own. And FIFA does have a Disciplinary Committee and the mechanism for suspending a punishment does exist so it's not like this is a sudden off the cuff decision, the mechanism and panel have always existed.

    Also remember we also have to take anything Trump says with a grain of salt as he just likes the sound of his voice and trying to make himself out to be important and not the compete and utter windbag he is. For all we know he never did anything he claims and even if he did ring up it doesn't mean what he claims was what was told. He might have just been told its already under internal investigation and he had nothing to do with it.

    It would obviously be better if the fact all reds are reviewed was out in the open and it would also be better as I said if it looked at situations where VAR maybe should have taken harder actions but its a million times better we don't have clearly wrong decisions made that impact 2 matches
     
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  11. SimonW

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    Olise didn't have multiple points of error because VAR can't do anything about yellows. If VAR was used on Yellows (Which it probably should be, if we are going to have VAR this situation where it can be used on some things but not others makes little sense. Especially this new thing where it can overule a corner thats been given incorrectly BUT can't overrule a goalkick that should have been a corner makes no sense) and it didn't overturn this then it would make sense the panel should overturn a clear VAR failure but its not used on Yellows so now trying to overturn it makes no sense

    The simple fact this is probably the most obvious world cup example where a system designed to get better decisions fails in multiple areas and makes punishment much worse and VAR having some oversight might actually make these officials do a better job rather than failing regularry despite having all the tools to do their job correctly
     
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  12. NorthernMonkey

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    Playing Quansah definitely isn't a bonus!
     
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