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Spygate / Championship Play Off Final

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Birky Bantam, May 18, 2026 at 7:20 PM.

  1. NorthernMonkey

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    Big points deduction, big fine and individual bans for the people involved.

    Get on with Saturday's match and everything would have blown over in a few weeks, especially if Hull won.

    The FA have made a rod for their own backs by the ridiculous expulsion decision and pretending they are actually a strong, overseeing force so now the inevitable backpeddling will make things 10 times worse.

    Saw it coming a mile off.
     
  2. AngryGaz

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    Btw folk going on about how harsh the punishment is now say Bolton got caught doing the same thing i suppose the same folk would be happy for them to get s fine and a few points of next season ????
    We all know the answer to that dont we :)
     
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  3. NorthernMonkey

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    Yes.

    We got beat so we wish Bolton well and move on.
     
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  4. Edin Nowhere

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    The fairest way to do this is,

    1. relegate Man City on top of the bottom three for their 115 charges and the fact we will have to hear from Arsenal fans going on about winning the league for the next 12 months.
    2. Promote Hull into Man City's place.
    3. Replay the play-offs with the remaining teams plus Wrexham.
    4. Ignore the winner of that and just hand Bradford the place for being massive.
    5. Replace Huddersfield Town with Emley in the league pyramid.
     
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  5. AngryGaz

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    Yep course you would
     
  6. Edin Nowhere

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    It appears the appeal hearing will start at 6pm tonight.

    If they are reinstated it's going to be a right sh1t show as Boro have already started selling tickets for the game on Saturday now. I guess they could have held off but selling 35k tickets in 2 days and arranging coaches etc is quite a task.

    What a mess, I thought the logistics for a 9/10 day turn around for league 1 after our game was cutting it fine.
     
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  7. Birky Bantam

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    If Southampton won last night or win tonight that certainly won't be the end of it as Middlesbrough will go through every legal avenue possible to get compensation. The play offs are also a separate competition to the league so why should they get a points deduction when the standard for teams who cheat in cups is for them to be thrown out. Also the panel can only take action against clubs not the individuals.

    The FA haven't had anything to do with this, they haven't started their investigation which will cover the individuals and likely lead to individuals being banned especially the Southampton manager. The EFL have done nothing wrong in this and acted exactly how they should by charging Southampton and putting forward the case to the independent panel who have decided on the punishments. It wouldn't be backpeddling if the expulsion is overturned as it will be a completely new panel of 3 people who have nothing to do with the EFL or the first hearing.
     
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  8. Birky Bantam

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    Whatever the outcome tonight I'm sure there will be quite a few people who have a case for suing Southampton for all of this mess that they created made even worse by them appealing. What is making this worse for Middlesbrough fans is there is there is engineering works on the rail between Darlington, Northallerton and York so it's a rail replacement to York then limited trains there and back with most already sold out.
     
  9. NorthernMonkey

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    If the play offs is a separate competition (it's not really though is it?) then why were they looking for further evidence during the league campaign for offences?

    Also, they've already sanctioned a points deduction for next season which further contradicts your point that these were separate offences in separate competitions.
     
  10. NorthernMonkey

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    I can only give you my opinion of what I'd do. Perhaps you shouldn't judge everyone by your own standards if that makes you sceptical.
     
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  11. Birky Bantam

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    The play offs are defined as different in the regulations and they have their own set of regulations just like the EFL Cup and Trophy do so how can they be justified as the same?
    The other 2 offences were seperate charges which were issued on Sunday that only came to light because of the investigation into the first charge. All 3 charges were heard in the 1 hearing yesterday as it made no sense to do them separately and they were all linked. It's not unprecedented that points deductions are transferred over to the next season like it does with administration if it is triggered after a certain date and won't have an impact on the table.
     
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  12. AngryGaz

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    Think.it will stand and it should do because your causing major problems here all for a team that got caught out ...............because mark my words had they got away with not getting caught at Boro they would have carried on doing into next season
     
  13. Birky Bantam

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    Appeal rejected and EFL have confirmed the decision is final so no more appeals from Southampton. Next steps will be an FA investigation and likely bans will follow.

    If Southampton mean what they say and the reports are right than the manager was the instigator of it then they have to sack him immediately.

    It sounds like the players are looking at legal action against the club and it wouldn't surprise me if the loser on Saturday also goes down the legal route for compensation as both have been impacted massively by this.

    I just hope the final on Saturday isn't a boring 0-0 after all of this.
     
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  14. NorthernMonkey

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    And now we have Hull threatens legal action if they lose the game. What an absolute and completely avoidable shambles.
     
  15. Stafford Bantam

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    Shambles yes. Avoidable? Well once Southampton were caught, probably not.
     
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  16. Birky Bantam

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    That is 2 completely different panels who've agreed the punishment is correct. It was avoidable if Southampton didn't continue to cheat, they are solely to blame for all of this.
     
  17. NorthernMonkey

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    It was avoidable in the sense that they handed out a completely disproportionate punishment that also then piqued the interest of the other self serving parties.
     
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    Hull are taking legal action it sounds like regardless of the match on Saturdays result. They believe thay they should just be promoted rather than have to play in the final if Southampton are kicked out.

    Southampton players are taking legal action for loss of earnings seems to be the main gripe.

    Southampton sponsors are pulling out, players want out, staff surely will be sacked soon. That club could well be put back years and years after this. Zero sympathy really if I'm honest for the club, tonnes for the fans.
     
  19. NorthernMonkey

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    Yep. A completely different panel appointed by the same FL Committee agreed with the last completely different panel appointed by that Committee. That's me convinced then.
     
  20. Edin Nowhere

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    As I said earlier, if this were Salford in the league 2 play offs who had done this and were kicked out of the competition would this be seen as harsh? The reason it looks harsh is because of the monies involved. They are talking about a £200m fine but it isn't. They haven't been fined anything, they have simply lost the chance of promotion via cheating. That £200m is not money on the back. Infact of all the play of teams they are the only one which have Parachute Premiership Money and they still chose to cheat.

    They will have been doing this all season and will have simply admitted the ones they were bang to rights for where they didn't actually win, on the basis they hoped it look good in their favour that no real advantage was received. Don't let the money cloud the punishment. The rules should be the same across all leagues in the EFL, and if this happened in league 1 or 2 no one would be kicking off like they are now because an "unguaranteed" £200m has gone, thats just the way Southampton are pushing it. In effect Sheffield Wednesday with a 15 point deduction their chance of a £200m promotion was also taken away.
     

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