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The frightening increase in losses in lower league football continues

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Jordan, Feb 18, 2026.

  1. Rogered Tart

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    Success don't come cheap. Unless you have a system like Peterborough that relies on turning over saleable assets then the cost of that success has to be borne by the clubs owner and to some extent by the fans in raised ticket prices.
     
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  2. Hulmebantam

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    I believe Bolton are quite heavily involved in community initiatives, local schools etc so will be the 'employer' but then receive grants etc towards the funding.
     
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  3. Dennis

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    One of the main reasons why Bolton has so many employees is the number of their matchday employees. At VP, we outsource activities such stewarding and turnstile operation to a 3rd party company. Those employees are the company's and not ours. Bolton do it very differently. They recruit many of these staff as temps for the game and certainly not as full time employees. If a person simply does 3 or 4 hours on a Saturday afternoon as a steward, that counts as 1 in the employee numbers. Repeat that manyl times over a season and employee numbers expand quickly. Many other clubs and indeed other 9rganisations do exactly as Bolton do. It's simply a different way of employing people on a part-time and temporary basis.
     
  4. Lard Arse

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    And yet in their last financials they have totalled accrued losses of over £18.5M
     
  5. Jordan

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    Ahhh well...... it could always be worse o_O

     
  6. Bronco

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    Bolton could have a massive backlash from their fans if the dont get promotion this season, looking at their fixtures I'm not sure they will.
     
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  7. Park bantam

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    Looking at the teams likely to be in involved in the play offs should we make it there will be less pressure than most as nobody expected us to be there
     
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  8. AngryGaz

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    The only pressure will come from our own fanbase .........you know what they can turn into ..........its a huge free hit if we get there
     
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  9. Kevin1954

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    Wait and see the numbers next season ! Now you know why DMac wants to sell. The US or Canadian ownership/ new ground investment was a smoke and mirrors scheme reliant on taxpayers funding it . That’s why they ended up in court . He would sell shifting sand to the Arabs !
     
  10. Kevin1954

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    “ The sale of a subsidiary “ Mmmmmmmmm, wasn’t that a scheme to fiddle the numbers. They sold what they owned to themselves under a different name ?. ( Something daft ? )
     
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  11. Jordan

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    Think they sold the womens team and the hotel at the stadium to themselves to build up the PSR stuff? Something on those lines. Nothing new, they are all trying to find ways to dodge the FFP/PSR guff. Newcastle released in their books that they've sold St James Park to a themselves through a different listing of the Saudi fund to help pass it this year.
     
  12. Rogered Tart

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    I didn't say it was a foolproof plan. If those sales dry up and you aren't bringing the talent through then you will make losses like everyone else does.
     
  13. Offcomedun

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    I hate them with a passion. I see that Everton and Forest, who had points deducted for financial irregularities are threatening a legal challenge to why Chelski got off with a suspended sentence for much worse irregularities under Abramovitch. I’d love to see them get the book thrown at them.
     
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  14. Rogered Tart

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    Was talking about football club ownership with my lad and he used the analogy owning a football club was like owing a high depreciating car like a lambo or a Ferrari, it's pretty much a vanity project. There is no money to be made from it unless you are using the club as a way to promote something else. I'm not sure there is a sport in the world that runs sustainable at a decent level, I know most rugby league clubs rely on wealthy benefactors as I expect is the case in others arenas.
    Take us for instance it took us a loss in the millions to become successful again, the somewhat fortunate sale of McBurnie via Sheffield Utd before that covering the losses of Rahic. From a rational point of view I have no idea why anyone invests their millions in football clubs, but then I'm a poor Northerner what do I know
     
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  15. Jordan

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    Don't blame them. Not sure how the new system the PL are bringing in from next season changes things too much? In terms of making it easier for the lesser clubs to spend or making it harder for the big 6 to open the financial gap even more.
     
  16. Jordan

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    It's all an image game, especially at the top. It was on an Overlap fan episode not long back, but the finance expert they had on the show, he was explaining why Chelsea have gone so long without a shirt sponsor and why Spurs still are naming their ground "Tottenham Hotspur stadium". It's all because the "Big 6" cant be seen taking a lesser deal that the most recent one that a rival signed. He was saying that Chelsea had a boat load of offers to take on a new shirt sponsor, but they were all lower numbers than what i think it was Man United got with their recent change, so Chelsea have gone a season or two without a sponsor until their new AI firm was added on a few weeks ago. Spurs in a similar boat with the naming rights, it was one of Levys pains that he couldn't get a deal in to name the stadium. No offer they had was worth more than Emirates or Etihad pay for theirs so they have stuck to their guns because if they are seen to accept something lower, it's a sign of being away from the cut, and wont open the doors to lower shirt sponsor offers, advertising etc. They'd rather stick to an image than take lower money.

    It's the Americanisation of sport and the financial rules we play in now kinda invites it onward. It's mental over there how much they drain from selling everything they can to companies during the matchday experience. Every stadiums name rights are sold, even training grounds having naming rights that are sold on. Every part of the ground that can be flogged to an advertiser is and it's taken. We watched a hockey game last month over there and during the breaks it's just mental. Some company sponsored the t-shirt cannon thing for 60 seconds, then another company sponsored a fan Q&A thing to win a voucher on behalf of that company (i think it was BestBuy), then a minute later the Zambonis came on, sponsored by another firm and they had children from the crowd sat onboard waving and they were the "Pepsi (i think it was) young fan of the moment" plastered all over the big screens. Then the camera panned to the Bud Light fan section where fans held up a Bud Light and had to go mental with wooo-ing and shouting Lets Go a lot at the cameraman. All this within like a 5/10 minute span, just sponsors launched at everyone left right and centre and every time the announcer had some speech like "give it up for Pepsis fan of the moment, enjoy a refreshing Pepsi with your loved ones now at the stands" and has to do that for every brand deal. It was like Jeff Stelling in his Soccer Saturday pomp.

    It will be big money and within 10 years i bet we have naff that like at every HT in the PL and probably lower. We'll have the Istanbul Shawarma half time penalty shoot out and the Record Cafe t-shirt cannons to come cheers us on when we are 1-0 to Barnet in 2036.
     
  17. Dennis

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    I have a suspicion that we'll see an extension of this in the World Cup. Now that FIFA have formalised water breaks during the game, watch out for advertisers filling the space.
     
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  18. Bigrod

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    The only way you make any money out of a football club, is to find a potential owner, who is even more vain than yourself, values your club at a price in excess of what you have paid out, and you sell it to them.
     
  19. Rogered Tart

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    Wife was at an NFL game in New Orleans two years ago and she said similar, the while day was about trying to sell you something, whether thay be insurance, food and drink the list was endless. I understand it, America is built on this spend spend spend society and our sports will become no different. All about rinsing the cash cow that is the sports fan, whether that be at the game via merchandise and refreshments, or the armchair viewer via advertisements and the rapidly rising in cost TV packages.
     
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  20. Rogered Tart

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    Now where have we seen that happen before......
     
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