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The frightening increase in losses in lower league football continues

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Jordan, Feb 18, 2026.

  1. Jordan

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    As the books are starting to be released for FY 24/25, the reality of football finances again are showing it's ugly head. Kieran Maguire is a great follow on social media if you are interested in this kinda stuff.

    Burton Albion seems to be one of the first to announce their data, losses of £8.3m over the last financial year. As he says, their owner wrote off £8.7m worth of debt in late 2025, shocking numbers really but a club like Burton spending £8.2m on wages seems crazy and i bet that's probably gone up for this season!



    Another update which might be more relevant if we do end up in the Champ, the 7 clubs that have announce their financial data this morning for that division, it's just a lot of debts across the board.



    QPR as an example team from above the CH, their books for a season finishing 15th is mind-blowing. Without any real standouts on the books that season either, it's just mental money for assembling something very middle of the road.



    Hopefully our books look decent when they are published, but i cant imagine there are many clubs who will announce profits.
     
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  2. andyc

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    These financial figures, just continue to show the madness of football and chasing the dream of the land of plenty
    Maybe it’s time to bite the bullet and let the big 6
    Join a European super league
    Take their greed with them and let the rest have a reset bringing 6 clubs up from the national league
    The premier league has done nothing for English football other than make lots of clubs virtually bankrupt
     
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    And kept a lot in business
     
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  5. Kevin1954

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    No, it’s will just shutter down to the next six down the ladder and so on and so on ..
     
  6. AngryGaz

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    Or the simply the PL simply goes bust and sadly that aint gonna happen :(
     
  7. SimonW

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    It's not the big 6 you have to complain about. As I have said over and over again it's the yoyo clubs who are to blame. They hold a ridiculous amount of power in any Premier League vote and have consistently used this for their own self interest by keeping and increasing Parachute payments which do nothing but cause inflation down the leagues. Burnley is the perfect example of this, they spend just enough hoping they might squeeze out of the bottom 3 and get another year in the Premier League but they spend it on players who are PL relegation fodder but quality Championship players so if they go down they are well equipped to come back up and the parachute payments protect them from their wages being an issue plus they have a season of PL money anyway which gives them a good chance of bouncing right back. And even if they don't they have more seasons of being subsidised.

    A few seasons back United and Liverpool put together project big picture which the rest of the big 6 (well it was more like the top 8 as they had more support) which not only would have helped make the Premier League better by preventing yoyo clubs derailing any vote like they regularly do now (The longer you had been in the league you would have got more weight on your vote) and would have done away with the current parachute payment setup but would have also put alot more Premier League money into English Football outside the PL and not just to the Championship but all the EFL and even beyond that. The EFL and National League were in support of it as were most of the clubs in both setups but again the yoyo clubs in the PL scuppered it and then were even able to increase parachute payments when they threatened to derail votes on increasing sub numbers and then also when it came to PSR regulations
     
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  8. Birky Bantam

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    That would be a disaster for football in this country and it would see clubs go bankrupt overnight. Whether people like it or not the reason for the money in the leagues is TV and TV companies are only really bothered about the big clubs, once they go the money goes and once the money goes the owners who fund huge losses leave as there's no incentive to do it and the losses get even bigger with no TV money as player contracts still have to be paid.
     
  9. Dennis

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    If there is a single and fundamental reason for the losses incurred at every level of the football pyramid it's player's wages. Capping the playing budget in Lge 1 & 2 has helped a little but the bizarrely named FFP regime still allows owners to subsidise their clubs almost without restraint. There are still many clubs in the PL and the Championship whose playing budgets are 150% of their entire revenues. And that attitude is filtering down the leagues. There are plans being developed to limit playing budgets in the PL and the Championship to something around 80% of revenues which is a start but will take many years to introduce it fully. Unfortunately the new plan will still allow owners to subsidise their club almost without restraint and the idea of imposing limits on playing budgets linked to revenues will still be full of gaping holes. Without imposing additional limits on owners direct funding of their clubs or by tightening the losses which clubs are allowed to make, the plans will come to nothing. And the owners of clubs at all levels don't appear to support the idea of imposing limits on their own funding or financing of their clubs. It's madness. No other business sector could be run in such an unbusinesslike manner.

    I'm hoping that the new independent football regulator will take a tougher line on this than the EPL, FA and EFL have done to date. But I have no doubt that he will be opposed by some vested interests with very deep pockets .. and access to the best sporting lawyers.
     
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  10. NorthernMonkey

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    It's not our fault we constantly inflate transfer fees by spening hundreds of millions every window on players guv and it's definitely not our fault that we're paying even the very average players £200,000 a week.

    What you need to be looking at is Burnley because we have to give them some of our money even when they go down. It's ridiculous. If you let us big clubs keep more you'll all be better off. Honest! : unamused:
     
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  11. andyc

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    The transfer fees and wages paid for players
    Are frankly quite ridiculous
    Distinctly average players earning between £2and £5 k per week in league two and even some in the national league, vastly increasing as you go up the pyramid to premier league players on hundreds of thousands per week
    Harland has probably earned more in a fortnight than I have for over 40 years working as a joiner
    40+hours per week 46 weeks a year
    And I am not buying the bollocks they have to earn a lot because they retire in their mid 30’s
    I firmly believe that greed will one day destroy the game
     
  12. AngryGaz

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    Why would it be a disaster ????
    Would it not simply revert back to the format it was before all this silly money came in at the top ????
    The only clubs that it would affect is the ones that have owners that are not running there clubs within there means.
    The majority of us would be fine or at least be forced to fund themselves which should be how its done.
     
  13. SimonW

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    Top 6 wages and even the wages of all the solid premier league teams has very little impact on the likes of Burton though. It's the parachute payments that do more to cause imbalance.

    The Premier League gives money to EFL clubs in 2 ways with both linked to broadcast revenue
    1. Solidarity Payments - All EFL clubs get these (Even those getting Parachute payments). For the current season it's £5..2mill per club in the Championship. League 1 & League 2 get a reduced amount of
    2. Parachute Payments - Clubs get these for 3 years after relegation with each year seeing a reduction. For this season the amounts were
      • Year 1 - Around £50mill
      • Year 2 - Around £42mill
      • Year 3 - Around £18mill
    So basically in the Championship you can have as many as NINE clubs all getting parachute payments. When the Championships average revenue is £24mill the fact even year 3's are making 75% of everyone else revenue from Parachute payments and the Year 1 and 2 are getting nearly double it skews things. If you want to get promoted you have to spend at as close to their level as possible even when it's not viable.

    Even the head of the EFL Rick Parry has spoken out about Parachute payments and how it hurts the EFL more than it helps. That money alone going into the solidarity payments instead plus way more extra ontop than the PL's last increase which was part of the project Big Picture proposal along with a fairer and deeper split would have improved things significantly.
     
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  14. SimonW

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    That's incorrect for the PL. NO PL club spends over 100% of revenue on wages. There are a couple in the the 90% range and a buch in the 80% range but over half are below 70%. Villa are one of the worst and that's why they keep complaining about PSR forcing them to sell players.

    And Premier League owners are limited on investment, at least on the playing side of things. They can put in £90mill across a 3 year period. If they want to put unlimited money in they have to put that money into 'infrastructure' which the club will benefit from long term even if the owners piss off.
     
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    My son in law played CB, semi pro, mostly at the top end of National League South (Tier 6) but retired at the end of last season. He is now playing on an ‘as & when basis’ in Tier 9 (he chooses when he wants to play and doesn’t have to train midweek) and they pay him £400 per game, cash in hand. Ridiculous.
     
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  16. andyc

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    Wow that’s crazy
     
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    Stefan Moore was at Leamington in step 6 or 7 on reportedly 950 a week.
     
  18. bantam316

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    In the premier league you get paid millions for getting relegated.. aka rewarding failure..

    If clubs cant sustain wages if relegated then thats their problem.. why keep funding them for being crap
     
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    If you can't see how the introduction of the PL and especially the spending of the bigger teams have consistently inflated transfer fees and wages, not only in England but across the whole of Europe then you're clearly just not wanting to look due to the particular club you're a fan of.

    Yes, of course the parachute payments are widening the gap between a smaller number of teams but the spending of the top 6 is the single biggest factor as to why domestic football in England has lost much of its competitiveness and rising through the divisions is now almost completely unrealistic without accruing huge levels of debt.
     
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  20. SimonW

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    Man Utd spend 56% of there revenue on wages. Lets say a wage cap was added and that slashed the wage bill to 35% all that ends up meaning initially is either
    1. Owners make more money. Is it better owners make more than the players who bring people enjoyment?
    2. Transfer fee's go up because clubs realise English clubs have even more money in the bank so exploit that
    Longer term though it would kill English football. The MLS is a perfect example, the quality of their league has increased massively but it keeps getting kneecapped because players can go and sit on the bench in Europe (and not even always the top level) and make way more a week than they can under the MLS wage cap. We are also seeing now lots of young talent going to Saudi to play in their fake league (A league where half the club are owned by the Wealth Fund and the other half by the Ministry of Sport isn't a real league) because they get paid so much when it ruins their career. We would just see all our best players leeched away by Europe and we would struggle to buy the talent and the quality and appeal would drop which would cause more financial issues.

    The only way you can get wages under control would be for a FIFA mandated world wide wage cap but that would be difficult to get an agreement on and implement.
     
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