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Maccabi Tel Aviv FC

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Idlebantam, Oct 18, 2025.

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  1. Kevin1954

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    I see there was another riot at their ground this last few days ?
     
  2. Idlebantam

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    Wow, one rule for you as a moderator and a different rule for me then because we disagreed.

    As for your accusation of me consistently posting in bad faith, thats well out of order, and so far from the truth.

    Probably time for me to take a break from here now then, if thats a moderators view of my character.
     
  3. SimonW

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    First of all it had nothing to do with me. I simply let you know the debate on the mod forum that I haven't taken part in, about how this thread fits in with the ban on politics so you knew why your post was deleted and then maybe we can stop the whole thread being deleted.

    And your argument is in bad faith. You have what is clearly an anti-islam agenda and you don't want to debate. This is highlighted by the fact I detail exactly what Israel ultras have been doing especially the Maccabi Tel Aviv ones and your response was

    That's not even an attempt to debate. Hence it's bad faith. You don't have to change your opinion but you can't just dismiss it in a good faith discussion.

    And it is even worse in your deleted post. Despite the statement saying it's about THEIR previous behaviour and mentions Amsterdam you have decided in your head that it's antisemitism or that pro-Palestinians who are the troublemakers who they can't control when again the troubles in Amsterdam (and Athens and which Turkish intelligence made Besiktas aware of the plans for Tel Aviv ultras to agitate which saw them give up their home advantage) were from the Ultras agitating things intentionally.

    Even if you think there is an antisemitic element choosing to dismiss the ultras actions and blame the agitation on Muslims is far from a good faith argument
     
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  4. Rudie

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    According to Sky news, MTA have decided not to sell tickets to the game against Villa.

    Sensible idea or are MTA themselves antisemitic now too?
     
  5. Idlebantam

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    You have clearly twisted things to suit your agenda that I am somehow a racist. I have never mentioned Islam in this thread, or indeed any other thread.

    You are bang out of order implying this.
     
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  6. NorthernMonkey

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    It wasn't only your posts.
     
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    Read the link I've just posted.
     
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    In before the thread gets locked lol.
     
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    @SimonW@SimonW won't be around for a while. He's still desperately trying to find reports of someone who's been killed or even seriously injured by the MTA fans.

    I'm not even going to mention that it was the Hapoel fans throwing the flares that caused the abandonment of the recent game, or the fact that MTA refused the tickets because they believe the English authorities can't protect their fanss. As Simon repeatedly told us, it's everyone else that needs protection from the huge group of IDF and Mossad agents coming over.

    Here's a thought though, what do we do if Israel qualify for Euro 2028? Especially considering Villa Park has been chosen for the event? Personally I'd remove the stadium from the list and host it elsewhere.
     
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    Fair comment. Its hard to not discuss politics when it becomes part of football. I'm staying well clear of the whole Palestine/Israel rabbit hole but to add, for all the wild narratives being thrown around this game, had the game been say Newcastle v Maccabi or Man City v Maccabi then the game would have gone ahead regardless. West Midlands police have made one huge monumental C0ck up in how they have approached this, police forces have no right to a political agenda yet they have made decisions based on political pressure. This could set a very dangerous precedent in future.
     
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  13. NorthernMonkey

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    Did they?

    At the bottom of the article it just says "West Midlands police were unable to comment before publication".

    All it says is "according to sources" then lists a mix of potentially invented stories rounded off with conjecture and speculation.

    Honestly, without actual quotes from the committee that made the decision or the police force themselves, that article is nothing more than the expected left wing propaganda from the Guardian.
     
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    I haven't even looked because deaths aren't the factor here. Football hooligans usually target rival fans, it makes it more self contained. The Tel Aviv ultras are targeting their actions towards the wider community. There wasn't Ajax fans at the transport hubs where they came in where they were bouncing around like kids in a candy shop waving their Israeli flags chanting about there being no children left in Gaza and chants about killing all Arabs (Which for the record also means 20% of the Jewish population in Isreal). There weren't Ajax fans in most of the area's they continued that in etc etc. Their only goal was to agitate sections of the Amsterdam population to get a responce. When we have a country where racists like Tommy Robinson or Politicians that trade in politics of division have created a situation thats a powered keg waiting for the fuse to be lit that is massively problematic

    And at no point did I say huge, number of IDF and Mossad agents. I've said more than once that basically the only fans of theirs that travel are the Ultras so it's a fairly small group. There were career IDF soldiers in these Ultra's though, we know this as a number were arrested or ended up in hospital. Having ignorant racists singing songs about killing kids is one thing, when you have the very people who are doing this killing; not just in Gaza but also on a daily basis in the West Bank then it becomes much worse.

    And I mentioned embedded Mossad agents because there were reports of them being embedded in Ultra groups long before Oct 7th. And Mossad agents have a long history that even jewish and Israeli historians have documented of agitation as a political tool.


    And no it wasn't the Hapoel fans, it was both sets of fans. There are videos the fans in yellow who are the Maccabi fans throwing flares at the police.


    There are videos of those in yellow chanting 'Tuama is a terrorist'. Tuama is one of Hapoel most famous players who is an Arab Isreali. That's racism. There is also footage of the Maccabbi Ultras roaming the stream in a large group of a few hundred looking for Hapoel fans and when they see a couple attacking them.



    Also the Isreali National news says in their report

    Notice the BOTH. So lets stop the gaslighting

    And why are you taking a statement from Maccabi as having any fact. And it doesn't align with the facts
     
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    So, to cap it off and summarise, you want them banned because they sing naughty songs and shout hurty words?

    Meanwhile, Turkish and Italian fans run around stabbing people for fun and in the instance of the lads from Leeds, actually killing them but it's definitely the hurty words that all of a sudden are the biggest issue in European football?
     
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    Oh, right. So you think they just made all of this up, do you?
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    First of all they have put people in hospital (such as the guy they set on in Athens for having a Palestinian flag, or the two women they attacked at an Amsterdam station) so it's not just words but you are being dismissive of the bigger issue. Inciting wider racial or religious hatred when tensions are already high is a massive risk to the wider community.

    And in your examples those fans actions have led to bans on away fans at clubs where it's likely to cause trouble. Leeds have in the past banned Turkish away fans for example and most likely would again if they got back into Europe. And the difference there is the problematic ultras are a tiny percentage of the traveling fan base. Fewer Maccabi fans attend foreign games than a fans of Turkish or Italian teams but almost all the travelling fans are the Ultras so it's not like you are punishing all the fans for a minority of trouble makers. Maybe if Maccabi fans were taking up their full allocation at grounds there would be more of an argument for not banning them all and trying to keep the ultras controlled but when it's just the ~500 ultras intent on causing trouble why take the risk?
     
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy81qvn7gjo

    I see how this game is played. If you're running with a narrative everyone on that side is always to blame no matter what. Lets be grown up about this whole Israel/Palestine scenario, both sides are complicit whether that be at a football match where violence ensues or in the conflict in general. This isn't a case of terror top trumps, that area of the world has had conflict for hundreds and hundreds of years.
     
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    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/oct/17/maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-banned-aston-villa

    This from the Guardian of all rags is a fair summing up of the situation.
     
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    Honestly, go through it point by point. There is absolutely nothing in there and they've carefully picked their words to make it sound as factual as possible without a single fact or quote provided in the bullet points. Take points 2 and 3. Was it one fan, a couple, was it a small group or was it every single one of them like it suggests? Were there any arrests to support this, or even a report supplied to Uefa who can add weight to the claims?

    I'll save you the bother though because I've looked myself. There were just 5 convictions and the longest sentence was just 6 months.

    Point 5. How many fans? "Some" could be a single household and more that likely was or they'd have used words like "majority" or 'large numbers'.

    Also, why didn't they get a quote from the police before rushing it too print for example?

    Everyone who is fair minded knows the answer. The police wouldn't have provided one and this is just a made up 'story' from a left leaning rag that's written to cause division and is best ignored.

    I'll leave it with two quotes from a sky news report after the trouble in Amsterdam, both which paint a very different picture to the one pushed above and I'll also note that every single post from yourself and Simon deliberately left out the fact that many fans had reacted to the large pro Palestinian demonstration organised to 'welcome' them to Amsterdam.

    Amsterdam police and prosecutors said "antisemitic" rioters "actively sought out" Israeli supporters to attack and assault them.

    A report from the Amsterdam mayor's office said the violence stemmed from a "toxic combination of antisemitism, hooliganism and anger" about the war between Israel and Gaza and other conflicts in the Middle East.


    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11959/13451567/maccabi-tel-aviv-why-have-israeli-clubs-fans-been-banned-from-aston-villa-europa-league-game-key-questions-answered
     
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